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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2013, 11:41:17 PM »
They could pull it off with the Dual Digic 5plus.. that wouldn't be bad.  Dual Digic 6 may be a screamer though!  Looking forward to some Cr2 rumors!

They might use dual 5+ again this time, but I still have my hopes up for Digic 6.

A considerable delay on a model could mean they've put Digic 6 on it.

FWIW, I bet we're gonna be seing 2x 5+ on the 7dmk2, and digic 6 on the 70D. ;)
I agree, that's my best guess as well, I can't see them not having dual Digic whether 5+ or 6... That's a huge part of what made the 7d the 7d!
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2013, 12:42:37 AM »
Regardless of MP count I would buy it (probably during Christmas time) ... 3 features I care about are:
a. better ISO performance
b. in-built HDR
c. ability to do at least 5 bracketed shots.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2013, 12:51:36 AM »
Depends for me. I will wait two years and see what Nikon and Canon have to offer in the crop sensor line of cameras. I picked up a Mark IV and will use it two years. Then if Canon has a good crop camera that is not crippled with AF and IQ. I will buy it. Or move to Nikon if they have a good camera for my needs. I want the DR that Nikon cameras offer. At this point I am willing to give up there excellent telephoto lenses for a better camera. I have a friend that shoots Nikon with the 500 mm lens and the cameras from Nikon are really giving him room to improve. Even if my lens is sharper it is not noticeable. And there sensors are better  IMO for birding and wildlife in general.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2013, 12:52:07 AM »
So lets see if I understand this... The 7D2 MIGHT be 21 megapixels, or it MIGHT be 24, or it could possibly be 18. And the 70D MIGHT have one of those sensors.... or it could be something else.....

Yeah, I know... sounds like a company that knows what it is doing, doesn't it?

Actually, it DOES! Really! You don't just crank out a any old new sensor because you have some competition. You prototype, experiment, test a few models, tweak & refine, and eventually produce a solid, stable, final product that consumers will be happy purchasing. Canon had multiple prototype 1D X models out in the field for nearly a year (and quite probably more than a year, if they had them out before the paper announcement) before they finally settled on one. If they are trying to make the 7D line a higher grade professional line, it is NOT surprising if they are testing multiple prototypes with multiple sensor designs.

That said...these ARE just RUMORS. Canon has not actually announced ANYTHING! Regardless of how many rumors people fling about, no one even knows for sure what Canon is actually doing. So, dilbert..you can't really apply the "chaos" you are trying to use AGAINST Canon as their ACTUAL mode of operation, now can you?

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2013, 12:55:16 AM »
I wonder if it will be a new process with modern levels of low ISO DR or not.
If not, then I'd be fearing for even the 5D4 :( to get such a sensor.

I would expect the Big MP camera to get the DR boost. The 7D has always been an action photography camera, and with a bump up to 10fps and a better AF system (crosses fingers), I suspect it will attract even more action shooters. We tend to shoot at higher ISO rather than lower ISO, so I can see Canon focusing on that end of things more than high performance low ISO DR. At least, for this particular sensor.

That said, I agree, I do hope this is Canon's first 180nm process sensor. Would be nice to see some real-world evidence they are ready to move to a new process, and start making more efficient use of their silicon (i.e. larger light-sensitive photodiode area -> greater full well capacity -> lower noise/better SNR at high ISO.)

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2013, 12:59:16 AM »
For me to buy a 7DII, sensor performance will need to be greatly improved.  I don't care about being able to push an underexposed shot 5-stops, it's just not the way I shoot.  I do want better tonal transitions and cleaner low and high ISO performance.  The thing that stands out to me is how "durable" APS-H and FF Canon raw files seem to be compared to APS-C files.  My 7D files require more sharpening and more overall PP compared to FF raw files, and that's understood, but when I do PP aggressively, the images start to fall apart pretty fast.  If that can be improved, I'll stick with APS-C because I'm still reach limited, otherwise, I'll keep my 7D and add a FF body....

The biggest factor there is the simple fact that larger sensors gather more light at each photodiode, thanks to larger photodiode area. Area is the the thing that really matters, and FF sensors have quite a bit more. An improvement in quantum efficiency would help as well. Canon sensors have reached around 47% or so, however other manufacturers have been well into the 50% range, some even pushing 60%, over the last few years. If Canon could improve Q.E., and apply some active cooling to control dark current noise, the tiny pixels of 20-25mp APS-C sensors could become significantly more efficient, resulting in much better high ISO noise performance.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2013, 01:20:38 AM »
I know two different prototypes. But no one has a Digic 6 in it.

It´s time that Canon reduces the price of the 5D Mark III around 2000 bucks and put a FF camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D X on the market that is worth the money you pay for it. I need a better IQ in the range ISO 50 to ISO 800.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2013, 01:43:20 AM »
It´s time that Canon reduces the price of the 5D Mark III around 2000 bucks
??? "5D Mark III around 2000 bucks"? ... ain't gonna happen! at least not until MK IV shows up
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2013, 01:53:11 AM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2013, 02:17:50 AM »
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2013, 02:22:33 AM »
I'm sorry things like this never sit with me.

I don't believe articles like this for 2 reasons:

1. If a camera is due for release in the next six months, they wouldn't be making decisions about what is going to be in the camera.  They know already and have already made that decision.  If they haven't then the camera will take longer than 6 months to come to market.

2. Unless you're somebody in the Canon R&D department, you're not going to know details like this.


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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2013, 02:29:40 AM »
I know two different prototypes. But no one has a Digic 6 in it.

It´s time that Canon reduces the price of the 5D Mark III around 2000 bucks and put a FF camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D X on the market that is worth the money you pay for it. I need a better IQ in the range ISO 50 to ISO 800.

A price drop in the 5D3 would be most welcome.

However, a new sensor would make the 70D a very interesting proposition.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2013, 02:49:44 AM »
Don't care about the megapixels, better iso performence would be nice ( and maybe better buffer still)

Most important is the autofocus, im so bummed my 1dmkiv only used 1 out of it's 39 cross type sensors on my f4 lenses :s

so better iso/buffer/autofocus and priced a bit under the 6d hehe

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2013, 04:13:54 AM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care

You just don't understand what matters to Canon :-p ... the 5d3 with 22mp is *better* than the 20mp 6d because it has 2mp more, and that gives Canon the freedom to put the 21mp 7d2 where they want it to be in (automated) tech comparisons: Between the pro 5d3 and the amateur 6d. Maybe the 70d will have 19mp?

It´s time that Canon reduces the price of the 5D Mark III around 2000 bucks and put a FF camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D X on the market that is worth the money you pay for it. I need a better IQ in the range ISO 50 to ISO 800.

Amen to that, esp. since you know the Canon gear. But of course it won't happen now that the 6d is out, or Canon gets really bold and prices the full frame 60d where it should belong - at say €1300.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2013, 04:41:19 AM »
So lets see if I understand this... The 7D2 MIGHT be 21 megapixels, or it MIGHT be 24, or it could possibly be 18. And the 70D MIGHT have one of those sensors.... or it could be something else.....

Yeah, I know... sounds like a company that knows what it is doing, doesn't it?

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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