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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2013, 12:31:39 PM »
If only Canon would announce they had a 21mp sensor with the same or better low light high ISO low noise capabilities as that other mob, That would be worth hearing.

Agree!

My 15.1mp Canon 50d was awfully noisy.  This sensor would have to do better.

What should I say with my 40D... :-(

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I too am hoping that Canon's next generation of APS-C sensors has better high ISO performance, but it's not like the current 18mp sensor is significantly worse than the current Nikon offerings.

Who confirmed you that the will have next generation sensor? So far we know that 70D & 7D2 will have own CMOS, but it is NOT 100% that it will be Next Gen. :-( I am sorry for telling you that. I myself am expecting nothing less than the best... but so far everyone state that 7D2 will be with DIGIC5 and NOT DIGIC6, although it exist in another camera from Canon already.
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

+1

Better high ISO performance is a must.  Usable ISO at and above 3200 is key... I have the ISO max on my 7D set at 1600.  Anything higher I have to render in B&W to be usable.

Finally someone like me. I would ADD Dynamic Range improvment to the ISO. I don't care about VIDEO at all.
Although having in mind that current camera have 25K ISO...

I wonder will we see DIGIC 6, or dual fives in the 7DII? Not sure how adding more pixels to either camera will improve anything. I guess it's not a huge jump though I can't see the high ISO looking any better than it does now on a 7D. Wish they'd stick with 18mp and just aim at improving image quality but then where's the marketing strategy? Numbers sell.
They could pull it off with the Dual Digic 5plus.. that wouldn't be bad.  Dual Digic 6 may be a screamer though!  Looking forward to some Cr2 rumors!

If higher ISO - definetely dual Digic6. If better Dynamic Range - better CMOS.

They might use dual 5+ again this time, but I still have my hopes up for Digic 6.
A considerable delay on a model could mean they've put Digic 6 on it.
FWIW, I bet we're gonna be seing 2x 5+ on the 7dmk2, and digic 6 on the 70D. ;)

Interesting idea. ;-) But not likely, because - 7D2 is the flagship for APS-C.

Regardless of MP count I would buy it (probably during Christmas time) ... 3 features I care about are:
a. better ISO performance
b. in-built HDR
c. ability to do at least 5 bracketed shots.

Good idea indeed. With 7D2 with dual DIGIC6 and in-built HDR bracketing with OUTPUT in RAW. That would be fascinating.


1. If a camera is due for release in the next six months, they wouldn't be making decisions about what is going to be in the camera.  They know already and have already made that decision.  If they haven't then the camera will take longer than 6 months to come to market.

True about marketing - however marketing needs time to make research and make decisions. Parallel to them - R&D need time to create and prepare for a final release a model - that is why different prototypes meanwhile are made. Then Marketing makes the call. A call that would be most recent and adequate to the current market. ;-) That simple it is.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2013, 12:31:39 PM »

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2013, 01:10:45 PM »
High ISO noise is a priority, I want a nice clean ISO800, but as long as they can achieve those goals at the same time I'll take as many Megapixels to go along with it as they can give me.
Eventually I want to be using a 40MP crop sensor, but for now I'd be happy with something like 28. Anything less than 21 would be disappointing.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2013, 03:25:54 PM »
A 21 Mp 7DII sounds fine to me. But it's the rest of the hardware package that holds the greatest interest, along with a release date!

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I couldn't agree more with that statement!

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2013, 03:47:18 PM »
Eventually I want to be using a 40MP crop sensor, but for now I'd be happy with something like 28. Anything less than 21 would be disappointing.
40MP on a crop sensor! ... hmm :-\
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2013, 04:34:34 PM »
Eventually I want to be using a 40MP crop sensor, but for now I'd be happy with something like 28. Anything less than 21 would be disappointing.
40MP on a crop sensor! ... hmm :-\

Scale up the sensor from the SX-50 and you get 115Mpixels on APS-C or 303Mpixels for FF.....

Scale up an iPad sensor..... hmmmmm.... gigapixels!
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2013, 04:35:53 PM »
Diko ... WOW, 9 quotes in one post ... Impressed. Man I struggle with just a couple of quotes, screwing up and modifying my posts most of the time.

What can I say?   ::) I am furious with Canon. Photo-shooting is a hobby of mine and no work.
I am currently on a 40D ONLY! I need a very urgent upgrade.

I am far away from 1Dx :-( For all the rest of the devices only 6D seems "a little" OK. And yet far away from what I need.

I am furious with Canon.

I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


10x!

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2013, 04:46:18 PM »


I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


10x!

No need to be "furious with Canon".  And where did you read a rumor that the 7D2 would get "dual digic 6"?  I must have missed that.  Seems very unlikely to me, unless the price is more in the $3k+ range.  Which would be absurd...a 1.6x crop sensor is a silly compromise in the first place (at least now in 2013).  To attempt to sell one at such a high price, would be a disaster.  1.6x crop, is so very 2002...it's time to move on to something else, something bigger.  I mean, if "reach" is all they care about, they might as well go smaller and make a micro 4/3 size, 3:2 sensor for the 7D2.  But they won't.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2013, 06:01:44 PM »


I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


10x!

No need to be "furious with Canon".  And where did you read a rumor that the 7D2 would get "dual digic 6"?  I must have missed that.  Seems very unlikely to me, unless the price is more in the $3k+ range.  Which would be absurd...a 1.6x crop sensor is a silly compromise in the first place (at least now in 2013).  To attempt to sell one at such a high price, would be a disaster.  1.6x crop, is so very 2002...it's time to move on to something else, something bigger.  I mean, if "reach" is all they care about, they might as well go smaller and make a micro 4/3 size, 3:2 sensor for the 7D2.  But they won't.

you have not a clue what you are talking about, as long the pixel density is higher in a APS than a 24x36 there are many people who has advantage of the smaller sensor, bird photographer, etc
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2013, 06:13:44 PM »


I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


10x!

No need to be "furious with Canon".  And where did you read a rumor that the 7D2 would get "dual digic 6"?  I must have missed that.  Seems very unlikely to me, unless the price is more in the $3k+ range.  Which would be absurd...a 1.6x crop sensor is a silly compromise in the first place (at least now in 2013).  To attempt to sell one at such a high price, would be a disaster.  1.6x crop, is so very 2002...it's time to move on to something else, something bigger.  I mean, if "reach" is all they care about, they might as well go smaller and make a micro 4/3 size, 3:2 sensor for the 7D2.  But they won't.

you have not a clue what you are talking about, as long the pixel density is higher in a APS than a 24x36 there are many people who has advantage of the smaller sensor, bird photographer, etc
TC?

Those fit on crops too.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2013, 06:37:12 PM »
you have not a clue what you are talking about

Mikael, I would suggest to you that you could contribute better by exercising more tact in your communications.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2013, 07:40:03 PM »
nothing will be better with a TC,  and then we are not talking about the advantage of the smaller pixels and resolution  and the same lens.

TC also  on the APS- and then?

Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. If you slap a teleconverter on a lens, regardless of what sensor you are using, you increase the focal length. Your OPTICAL power has improved, and now you are putting MORE PIXELS ON THE SUBJECT. More pixels on subject is better regardless of how you achieve it. A teleconverter might introduce slight additional softening, but if it gets you significantly "closer" to your subject thanks to a greater magnification, that additional softness can't possibly be worse than having to crop significantly.

Adding a TC is valuable, be it with a low density FF or a high density APS-C....if you cannot physically get closer to your subject, you can't really do better than moving to a longer focal length. Getting closer is better, but it is not always an option, and when it is not an option, a teleconverter is often the cheapest, if not the only, option for increasing the size of your subject relative to the frame.

As a simple example, I'd happily go with a 300mm f/4 L IS + 1.4x TC rather than a 400mm f/5.6 L. Not because the 300mm has IS, but because with a 1.4x TC you get 420mm out of it. The extra focal length will offset the slight drop in IQ...you'll get more pixels on subject, not a lot, but enough to be useful, with the subject being 10% larger in the frame. Plus...you still have the IS, so its still better all around than the 400mm f/5.6 L as you won't also have softening due to camera shake. Similarly, I'd take a 600mm f/4 L + 1.4x TC on a 7D any day over the 800mm f/5.6 L on a 5D III...the 600/1.4/7D combo will pack on far more pixels than the 5D III setup. (As soon as f/8 AF is available on the 5D III, my sentiments there will likely change...600mm + 2x TC + 5D III would then become a better 1200mm setup with superior AF.)
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2013, 08:01:11 PM »
Diko ... WOW, 9 quotes in one post ... Impressed. Man I struggle with just a couple of quotes, screwing up and modifying my posts most of the time.

What can I say?   ::) I am furious with Canon. Photo-shooting is a hobby of mine and no work.
I am currently on a 40D ONLY! I need a very urgent upgrade. This is your hobby, not your work.  You do not have NEEDS.  You have WANTS

I am far away from 1Dx :-( For all the rest of the devices only 6D seems "a little" OK. And yet far away from what I need.  Repeat, you do not have NEEDS.  The 1dx is the top end PRO gear, made for PROS that do have NEEDS.  Even with that said, only the elite pros are using the 1dx.  Contrary to popular belief, most photographers are quite poor.  Also, the 1dx is a bit overkill for even wedding photographers - while the increased low light capabilities would be awesome, the 1dx is a frames per second machine and that's why its so pricey!!!  For a hobby shooter, I'd think any 1-3k slr should be just fine for you.

I am furious with Canon. WHY??????

I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2013, 08:57:42 PM »


I hope for the best about 7D2: new dual DIGIC 6 and new CMOS (NEW Technolgy, NOT the same CMOS as on 1DX, 5D3 edition customized for 7D2).


10x!

No need to be "furious with Canon".  And where did you read a rumor that the 7D2 would get "dual digic 6"?  I must have missed that.  Seems very unlikely to me, unless the price is more in the $3k+ range.  Which would be absurd...a 1.6x crop sensor is a silly compromise in the first place (at least now in 2013).  To attempt to sell one at such a high price, would be a disaster.  1.6x crop, is so very 2002...it's time to move on to something else, something bigger.  I mean, if "reach" is all they care about, they might as well go smaller and make a micro 4/3 size, 3:2 sensor for the 7D2.  But they won't.

If the 7D2 is going to shoot 21MP at 10FPS it's going to need dual Digic just as much as the 1Dx (I guess maybe they could just use a bigger buffer instead).

Crop sensors can be preferable to teleconverters since they don't lose any light, which would be very detrimental to AF on some lenses.

How much you want your sensor cropped is always a balance, APS-C is what people are used to on Canon so it wouldn't be terrible if they stick with it.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2013, 08:59:21 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

+1
but also base iso noise issues need to be resovled
if the noise follows recent trends of becoming more filmy than blocky digital noise it will help greatly
as the noise from the newer sensors responds alot better to NR than the current 18MP range do
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2013, 09:53:27 PM »
All this just makes me wonder how long it will be before some innovative company comes along and 'Black Magics' Canon, with an EF mount body having something like 1DX performance at a 70D price.

Makes me smile just thinking about it  8)  Especially if that "Black Magic" body incorporated the Sony/D800 type FF sensor and came with the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 as kit lens, but in full frame version.  One can dream..
......and Magic Lantern supplying the software.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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