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Re: 1Ds Mark IV/1D Mark V Spec List [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 02:12:45 PM »
"too many pixels for a 1D and too few for a 1Ds"

Why "too many" for 1D?  The 1D4 has a 16MP crop sensor because even Dual DIGIC4 couldn't process 10fps at 21MP.  If dual or single DIGIC5 can process the new FF sensor resolution at 8-10fps then there is no reason to have two 1D bodies.  Producing and marketing two bodies is more expensive than one so there has to be a compelling reason for Canon to continue with a 1D and a 1Ds.

Why "too few for a 1DS"?  That would be a 50% increase over the current 21MP.

I agree though about the 5D3 taking over for the 1Ds... perhaps 1D5 and 5D3 will have the same sensor and the main difference will be Dual DIGIC5 in the 1D5 (9fps and best in class build quality/ruggedness) and single DIGIC5 in the 5D3 (4fps).   7D2 will also be single DIGIC5 but crop sensor of about 20MP will allow 8fps?

Why should the 5D3 get "only" single DIGIC5 chips? Remember a HUGE part of the success of the 5D2 is due to its video capabilities. I know lot's of people hate video in DSLR, but let's face it, times are changing, and I am sure the Nikon D4 will have improved video capabilities over the D3s AND the 5D2 !!!

And my point is, I know a lot of people are expecting improved video capabilites from the 5D3, maybe RAW movie mode, maybe 4K movie resolution, maybe both. Both putting huge demands on the computing capabilities of the 5D3 = Dual DIGIC 5 !! I am one of these hoping for both. If not, I may be forced to go to Nikon if the D4 delivers as rumored.

Also, with USB 3.0 and UDMA7 memory cards (100MBps + write speed), which many expect on the 5D3, Dual DIGIC5 chips may be required to be able to handle the transfer/write speed, as well as the buffering/cache on the camera. (Also, when working with timelapse, as I am, and many many more are doing every day now, we are limited to 1,5fps withe the bottleneck of 32MBps write speed to UDMA6 cards on both the 1Ds and the 5D2).

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV/1D Mark V Spec List [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 02:12:45 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2011, 02:41:25 PM »
Why should the 5D3 get "only" single DIGIC5 chips?

Why do you say "only" single DIGIC5"...  If a single DIGIC5 is sufficient then that's what Canon will put in.  Those chips can't be cheap so they won't put it in for no reason.  My point was that if dual processors are not needed to achieve high fps then it will get single.  Likewise, 7D2 will only get single DIGIC5 if it can achieve high enough fps for the crop sensor.... current 7D has Dual DIGIC4 because it's needed.   Good point though, improved video capabilities may necessitate dual DIGIC5 and you're right I wasn't considering video but single DIGIC5 may be able to handle whatever improved video capabilities you'd like to see.  It may also be more complex and less efficient to break up video processing across dual processors than it is to simply alternate between processors for successive still images each handled by a single processor.

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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2011, 02:49:04 PM »
News/rumours coming out of the trade and the smoking booths say:

New 32 > 35 Mp body within one month priced at about £3500 GBP. This must be 1Ds MKIV.


I'd be surprised at that sort of price point, at least on announcement, as the 1DIV is currently around £3800, now that it's finally back in stock.
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2011, 03:42:54 PM »
News/rumours coming out of the trade and the smoking booths say:

New 32 > 35 Mp body within one month priced at about £3500 GBP. This must be 1Ds MKIV.


I'd be surprised at that sort of price point, at least on announcement, as the 1DIV is currently around £3800, now that it's finally back in stock.


"New 32 > 35 Mp body": it might be 1Ds4.
"£3500 GBP": it MUST NOT be 1Ds4 - it can only be 1D or lower.

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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2011, 05:43:16 PM »
Why is having "only" 32 megapixels so disappointing? All the specs seem worthy of the long-rumored 1D/1Ds merger/replacement. The 1Ds was 11.1 megapixles, the 1DsII was 16.7 megapixels, and the 1DsIII is 21.1 megapixels. If the rumored 32 megapixels are correct, then this would represent the biggest model-to-model jump in pixels in the history of the 1Ds lineage.

Just out of curiosity, for those that feel 32 megapixels aren't sufficient, what type of shooting do you do that requires more?   

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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2011, 08:12:50 PM »
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USM dial is for microadjust?

Better check the full picture   :D


Now it all makes sense! Thanks mate!
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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2011, 08:23:06 PM »
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Just out of curiosity, for those that feel 32 megapixels aren't sufficient, what type of shooting do you do that requires more?

A lot! Like shooting a car in a landscape frm a helicopter, or a movie poster, or an image you want to print 6' wide for a gallery show. I love my MKlll, but if I was to put together a show tomorow most of the images in it would be from the H2/H3-Phase combo becuase they just have the quality to go big. I'm already banging on the ceiling of the P65+ so I was really hoping Canon would get us into the 40's, especially since they showed they can get 120MP on a chip a year or two ago. 32mp isn't bad, but it isn't what I was hoping for, and it still keeps the 35mm FF form factor to an also run, not a use it for everything camera.

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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2011, 08:23:06 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2011, 11:12:07 PM »
Looks like a simple fantasy spec list collated from previous rumors. 32MP FF is just 450D/1100D pixel density, so that's easily predictable. 3/7/9 FPS is BS since the past 2 versions have selectable framerates from 1-10, why regress from that pro feature. The other specs we'll all read before. Nothing new here.
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 01:14:06 AM »
A lot! Like shooting a car in a landscape frm a helicopter, or a movie poster, or an image you want to print 6' wide for a gallery show. I love my MKlll, but if I was to put together a show tomorow most of the images in it would be from the H2/H3-Phase combo becuase they just have the quality to go big. I'm already banging on the ceiling of the P65+ so I was really hoping Canon would get us into the 40's, especially since they showed they can get 120MP on a chip a year or two ago. 32mp isn't bad, but it isn't what I was hoping for, and it still keeps the 35mm FF form factor to an also run, not a use it for everything camera.

I'm humbled that a photographer of your immense talent frequents a forum like this. With that out of the way, I assumed photographers of your caliber primarily relied on a medium format to capture the types of images (mega-enlargements) you describe? Maybe 35mm bodies will get there someday, but it might take a few more generations of updates for that to happen. I think it's fairly safe to say that your needs exceed that of most potential 1DsIV buyers. There can't be that many people that shoot landscapes out of a helicopter  :)

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2011, 02:11:13 AM »
Thanks - just like everyone else I'm keen to know what my next tool will be! I guess I'm pretty married to my cameras because I'm out working with them several times a week, and bumping up against their limits day after day, so you can see how one gets a bit obsessed about what's next.  :-)

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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2011, 10:50:59 AM »
that is possibly the best concept camera I've ever seen.  with a built in "money" button, there's no longer any reason not to shell out for the highest-end body on the market ... and the button to the left of it sure wouldn't garner many complaints either.

I'm suprised it doesn't have a side-mounted hotshoe

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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2011, 02:23:04 PM »
what would the price be on something like the 1d

5000?
6000?
7000?

i hope that they dont get greedy stretch it and goes much higher then 6000

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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2011, 03:10:35 PM »
what would the price be on something like the 1d

5000?
6000?
7000?

i hope that they dont get greedy stretch it and goes much higher then 6000

I think that's the million dollar question. I can see either one of two scenarios playing out:

1) Canon sells the rumored 1D/1Ds replacement at the price point of the current 1D of $5K. The problem with merging the 1D line, then selling it for $7K, is that sports shooters accustomed to paying $5K for a 1DIV would have to pay a premium for features (full frame, extra MP's, etc) they don't necessarily want or need.

2) The 1D/1Ds replacement will fill in the price slot of the 1DsIV and sell for $7K, which will create a huge price gap in the model line between the 5D and 1D. This would set the stage nicely for more studio/landscape/portrait-oriented camera that packs just as many megapixels, or perhaps more, than the 1D, but in a smaller body with a simpler AF system and lower frame rate.  Build quality would be somewhere in between the 1D and 5D, with dual card slots to boot.
 
It's just all wild speculation at this point, and hopefully Canonites will know something definitive within the next month.

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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2011, 07:23:18 PM »
1Ds bodies typically run $8,000 or thereabouts.  I doubt if a 1DS Mark IV will be less.

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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 09:09:35 PM »
1Ds bodies typically run $8,000 or thereabouts.  I doubt if a 1DS Mark IV will be less.
Then i realy realy hope they will get something in the 4k-5k area. Or else i cant upgrade anytime soon.

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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 09:09:35 PM »