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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #105 on: April 29, 2013, 06:54:53 AM »
Other than the OS (Canon IS), I don't see the sigma being a challenger of any sort.
Who knows, though?

The Canon design is an ancient design with blurry corners and a blurry mid-frame. It's not a top of the line lens. It also has severe issues with purple fringing that's very poorly controlled, and as a long lens , lacking image stabilization means if you're just shooting an event or  you're wasting 1-2 stops of light just to counteract camera shake without making your subject any sharper.

Here's a comparison between the 135mm f/2.0 and a much sharper lens:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=108&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

f/1.8 also makes a difference is subject isolation, and also reduces noise too.

Everyone was saying that you couldn't improve on the 35mm f/1.4 before and look what happened. The problem is that people assume a "good" lens can't be replaced by something that is earth shatteringly better.

My old 200mm f2.8 II L was the sharpest prime I have ever used. It was a sublime lens. But I sold it because my 70-200 f2.8 II L IS was nearly as sharp but a lot more versatile. My 135L is sharp and yes it gets a bit of purple fringing....but Lightroom deals with this so well that it's a non issue. My 85mm f1.2 II L is a tad sharper. No one ever believes me when i say this, which I think is an opinion which goes against common forum mantra. But my copy is. My 135L is a stellar performer and I get great result out of it and I use it wide open often.
But it's a an old design and things have moved on. There's a possible 1/3 stop of brightness which can be extracted from the front filter size. IS could easily be added. AF could be tweeked. Newer coatings to help cleaning and flare control. More aperture blades and rounded ones would help the bokeh a bit. It's not weather sealed and mine's been back to Canon a few times for a loose front collar. The Hood is huge and it's flare control isn't as good as other lenses.
It's a bit like the 35mm f1.4, a brilliant lens. But just needs a little update to bring it up to epic status. 

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #105 on: April 29, 2013, 06:54:53 AM »

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #106 on: April 29, 2013, 05:03:58 PM »

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2013, 05:08:51 PM »
Just in time to throw some more fat on this fire:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/04/zeiss-ze-135mm-f2-vs-canon-135mm-f2l

Pretty much agree, Razors to Razors but I wouldn't spend 1000$ more for the Zeiss. Both of these lenses need IS and/or f/1.8 for me to drop my current 135L.


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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2013, 05:25:23 PM »
Here's a comparison between the 135mm f/2.0 and a much sharper lens:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=108&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
Anybody who complains about the sharpness of the 135L is using that lens (assuming he has ever used it at all) for something lenses are not designed for.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2013, 06:57:29 PM »
Both of these lenses need IS and/or f/1.8 for me to drop my current 135L.

Agree.  The Zeiss is certainly better wide open, but not $1200 better.  It's more than double the price and almost double the weight.

I love MF wide-angles (especially lenses with good markings so it's easy to set hyperfocal), but for me anything longer than about 50mm *really* needs AF, preferably fast AF.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2013, 09:13:10 PM »
Both of these lenses need IS and/or f/1.8 for me to drop my current 135L.

Agree.  The Zeiss is certainly better wide open, but not $1200 better.  It's more than double the price and almost double the weight.

I love MF wide-angles (especially lenses with good markings so it's easy to set hyperfocal), but for me anything longer than about 50mm *really* needs AF, preferably fast AF.

also if the new sigma controls flare anything like the 35mm It will make it significantly better than the 135L as i feel it loses contrast quite easily when shooting into the sun however it will be mind blowing if they do make it sharper than the 135L and this will be quite a feat too
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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #111 on: April 30, 2013, 04:23:41 PM »
Has there been any indication whatsoever that Sigma is going to produce an updated 50/1.4 anytime soon? I've seen these rumors of a 24mm and 135mm, but other than the fact that we might expect a 50, have any rumors about it surfaced?

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #111 on: April 30, 2013, 04:23:41 PM »

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2013, 05:08:06 AM »
Has there been any news about this new Sigma 135 f1,8 lens? I haven't seen any additional information since this rumor appeared.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2013, 07:45:44 AM »
What do we think the chances are that:

a) there might be a sigma 24mm Art coming soon
b) it will be better IQ than the canon L II?

I'm not asking about price because it would obviously be cheaper... :P
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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2013, 09:34:23 AM »
Bad Rumor.

1.8 + OS = dont think so!!!!

That's what a lot of them said regarding the price of the 18-35 F1.8 APS-C.  There are lots of doubters.  Sigma seems to have a habit of in-your-facing most doubters.  Pass the popcorn please.  This will be interesting.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2013, 10:21:35 AM »
wow the zeiss is NEARLY as good in the corners ....as the center....
but I need autofocus...please

I love my 135 f2 Canon...
but then
I loved my 35L and sold it
and now use a much better performing lens ...the Sigma 35 1.4

my sigma 35 is sharp wideopen.... corners are pretty good..
but nuttin like  LensRental's Zeiss test .........yikes!

Siggy made a nice f1.8 zoom that is well thought of...

so
I am ready for Sigma's f1.8 OS 85mm lens.....
(by the way I agree with comments that is will cost around $1300...a fair price IMO)
and if they even come close to zeiss corners....
Canon will need to call an emergency board meeting...to discuss Sigma versus Canon
(they should have done this yrs ago)


Canon STILL owes us their 35L II ...that THEY PULLED..... JUST as the Sigma 35 was released
this is ....waiting....waiting.....waiting.....hello?.........anyone home there?

just my observations

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #116 on: July 20, 2013, 05:56:27 PM »
Other than the OS (Canon IS), I don't see the sigma being a challenger of any sort.
Who knows, though?

The Canon design is an ancient design with blurry corners and a blurry mid-frame. It's not a top of the line lens. It also has severe issues with purple fringing that's very poorly controlled, and as a long lens , lacking image stabilization means if you're just shooting an event or  you're wasting 1-2 stops of light just to counteract camera shake without making your subject any sharper.

Here's a comparison between the 135mm f/2.0 and a much sharper lens:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=108&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

f/1.8 also makes a difference is subject isolation, and also reduces noise too.

Everyone was saying that you couldn't improve on the 35mm f/1.4 before and look what happened. The problem is that people assume a "good" lens can't be replaced by something that is earth shatteringly better.

My old 200mm f2.8 II L was the sharpest prime I have ever used. It was a sublime lens. But I sold it because my 70-200 f2.8 II L IS was nearly as sharp but a lot more versatile. My 135L is sharp and yes it gets a bit of purple fringing....but Lightroom deals with this so well that it's a non issue. My 85mm f1.2 II L is a tad sharper. No one ever believes me when i say this, which I think is an opinion which goes against common forum mantra. But my copy is. My 135L is a stellar performer and I get great result out of it and I use it wide open often.
But it's a an old design and things have moved on. There's a possible 1/3 stop of brightness which can be extracted from the front filter size. IS could easily be added. AF could be tweeked. Newer coatings to help cleaning and flare control. More aperture blades and rounded ones would help the bokeh a bit. It's not weather sealed and mine's been back to Canon a few times for a loose front collar. The Hood is huge and it's flare control isn't as good as other lenses.
It's a bit like the 35mm f1.4, a brilliant lens. But just needs a little update to bring it up to epic status.

I don't notice any purple fringing on my 135, perhaps there is some sample deviation.

I would prefer a faster than f/1.8 lens, regardless whether the focal length is anywhere from 85mm to 200mm.  Apparently nobody else wants that, but I do.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2013, 09:25:44 PM »
Wow are there really people complaining about the 135L and linking comparisons with the 200 f/2!?!?!?  $6k vs $900, I'd hope to god the 200 f/2 was better for costing 5x more. 

I thought the fact that the 135L is one of Canon's sharpest lenses and best values was just common knowledge, never ever seen anyone complain about it.  And test charts can only tell you so much, try real world use and then come back and complain.  I mean for you to say that I can only believe you've never actually used one, or if you did it was a bad copy.
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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2013, 09:25:44 PM »

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #118 on: July 22, 2013, 09:33:26 PM »
Wow are there really people complaining about the 135L and linking comparisons with the 200 f/2!?!?!?  $6k vs $900, I'd hope to god the 200 f/2 was better for costing 5x more. 

I thought the fact that the 135L is one of Canon's sharpest lenses and best values was just common knowledge, never ever seen anyone complain about it.  And test charts can only tell you so much, try real world use and then come back and complain.  I mean for you to say that I can only believe you've never actually used one.

+1, but again it's possible there is some sample variation...even with a Canon L lens.

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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2013, 11:25:43 AM »
Wow are there really people complaining about the 135L and linking comparisons with the 200 f/2!?!?!?  $6k vs $900, I'd hope to god the 200 f/2 was better for costing 5x more. 

I thought the fact that the 135L is one of Canon's sharpest lenses and best values was just common knowledge, never ever seen anyone complain about it.  And test charts can only tell you so much, try real world use and then come back and complain.  I mean for you to say that I can only believe you've never actually used one.

+1, but again it's possible there is some sample variation...even with a Canon L lens.

Hmmm could be. I've not noticed all that much purple fringing, perhaps wide open in a brightly backlit situation you can and even then in the corners. Nothing like my 85 1.8 did! That thing drove me nuts!

I absolutely love love love my 135L. I mostly use it between  f/2.2-2.8 which gives amazing results. I do wish it had IS but it's not a big deal. You can get sharp shots at around 1/125s. Does take away some of the low light advantage. Then again people don't stay very still and IS can't really help with that!

I recently used it on my 7D and the IQ was just outstanding. So good in fact I mislabeled my images as from "5D2" on import!
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Re: 135mm f/1.8 DG OS ART Next from Sigma? [CR1]
« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2013, 11:25:43 AM »