December 12, 2017, 12:07:42 AM

Author Topic: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits  (Read 26914 times)

Flake

  • Guest
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 05:12:07 AM »
quote author=Flake link=topic=1444.msg20198#msg20198 date=1312529755]
Why would anyone want 36MP?  It's not a huge increase in terms of resolution, however the files are larger, meaning that there's less of them per GB, they take proportionatly longer to transfer to the PC longer to open & to apply PP.  On top of that noise is generally worse, and with that dynamic range takes a hit too.  Lens flaws are made even worse, processing in camera takes longer.

For me 25MP with better dynamic range (lower noise), a digic V processor with its greater power used to give more fps (3.9 just isn't quick enough).
If you need more MP then either buy a medium format (your work will obviously fund this) or if it's landscape the stitch two images together to acheive the same!
[/i]

Sounds like someone urgently needs to consider upgrading their computer system, or at least parts of it.

I on the other hand want the highest mp count they can possibly cram into the beast, 65mp? Bring it on!
[/quote]

Amazing! Only the other day you were decrying the noise & dynamic range of your current camera, and now you've done a complete 180 turn and decided that neither actually matter - nor image quality, all you want is high MP!  Make your mind up because you can't have both!

As for my PC it's quad core 8GB running windows 7  I think it's powerful enough, the laptop is a Lenovo W700 again more than powerful enough.

Clearly you're an amature snapper who processes just a few images at a time for those of us needing to process a couple of hundred at a go, twice the file size makes a huge difference to the time it takes, and that's regardless of computer power.

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 05:12:07 AM »

NXT1000

  • Guest
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 05:51:13 AM »
how much improvement in IQ for 36MB from 21MB, i wonder, i guess only a little. Noise might be more, therefore, i do not think it will be a big jump. If 5d3 share the same chip, no way i am going to spend more on the pro body. Canon waiting for nikon again? well let hope nikon delay until next year due to tsumani, i want my 5d2 to be top dog as long as possible. I hate the digital world, suddenly my camera is obselete.




motorhead

  • EOS 80D
  • ****
  • Posts: 265
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2011, 06:19:44 AM »
Its true I'm strictly an amateur, but why should I not want all the resolution I can get? Certainly DR is also important to me and I hope every photographer because its the one area where digital still lags behind film.

To put it into some kind of context, I want both and don't see why I should part with more cash than we spent on buying our first house and not get what I want. My camera fund is sat waiting but if Canon disappoint me then it can wait a bit longer.

Canihaspicture

  • EOS Rebel SL2
  • ***
  • Posts: 92
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2011, 07:08:21 AM »
My fingers are crossed for in camera pixel binning.

WarStreet

  • Guest
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2011, 07:17:50 AM »
how much improvement in IQ for 36MB from 21MB, i wonder, i guess only a little. Noise might be more, therefore, i do not think it will be a big jump. If 5d3 share the same chip, no way i am going to spend more on the pro body. Canon waiting for nikon again? well let hope nikon delay until next year due to tsumani, i want my 5d2 to be top dog as long as possible. I hate the digital world, suddenly my camera is obselete.

Without all this, your 5DII would cost $ 100,000. Thanks to technology improvement, we get better and cheaper toys, and your current camera will still continue to perform the same. I like the digital world, and for me it's never fast enough.

Canihaspicture

  • EOS Rebel SL2
  • ***
  • Posts: 92
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2011, 07:31:49 AM »
I have this fear that with the new sensors coming from Nikon and Sony that Canon might simply offer something competitive instead of groundbreaking... I want groundbreaking. The competition should be adequately blown away at least for a year or two.

WarStreet

  • Guest
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2011, 08:03:53 AM »
Canihaspicture, the competition technology (Sony sensors) are very good at the moment, and they have a strong momentum. I think it will be very difficult for Canon to surpass Sony by a big gap, although I can never exclude the possibility. I will be more than happy if Canon is just competitive with Sony's sensors, and yes I will be happier if the new technology is groundbreaking :)
   

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2011, 08:03:53 AM »

kubelik

  • EOS 5DS R
  • ******
  • Posts: 823
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2011, 08:47:05 AM »
46 for the 1Ds would make me very happy!
36 mp for 1Ds  I sell mine and I stop with Canon , too many pixels for a small sensor
the 7D is not  a good camera

you win some, you lose some...

frankly though, I don't mind the 5D III dropping later rather than sooner ... I've got other things I want to spend money on this year and next year besides upgrading ...

I don't want to get between flake and motorhead, but I don't see why a 36 MP or even 46 MP image should slow you down if you have even a reasonably spec'd current system.  I am only an amateur photographer but I am a professional working in the design and graphics industry.  the last file I worked in was 500 MB illustrator file, and raster work I do regularly exceeds 250 MB.  pretty sure that's bigger than anything even coming out of a phase 1 back.

if you were to get a computer with an Intel core i3 or i5, a mid-level production graphics card (not a gaming card), 8GB of RAM, and a 7200+ RPM hard drive all on a sturdy motherboard running USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gbp/s, you could have a brand new system that will chew through 36 MP files, both in terms of processing and in terms of input/output read/write speeds, all for well less than $1000.  and that's a system that will last you into the next camera cycle.  your external HDD should be running USB 3.0 at this point if you do professional photography of any sort.

if you are willing to put out just a little more dough, up to the $1500 range, you can get a SSD drive involved, and probably another graphics card in SLI/Xfire configuration.  that might take you into one more camera cycle.  computing power has never been cheaper, and there's no reason not to invest in your entire workflow, not just the front end.

neuroanatomist

  • CR GEEK
  • ************
  • Posts: 21818
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2011, 09:01:39 AM »
your external HDD should be running USB 3.0 at this point if you do professional photography of any sort.

Or FW800.  USB3 has a faster theoretical spec, but suffers in practice because the CPU must manage the data stream, whereas FW does not have that dependency.  So, in the real world, USB3 finally achieves the speeds that FW800 has had for years.  Then again, if you want fast, get yourself a system with Thunderbolt and a Pegasus RAID storage system...
EOS 1D X, EOS M2, lots of lenses
______________________________
Flickr | TDP Profile/Gear List

Canihaspicture

  • EOS Rebel SL2
  • ***
  • Posts: 92
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2011, 09:32:28 AM »
Intel CPUs won't natively support USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt until Ivy Bridge in 2012... So I'd hold off on a hardware purchase until then, especially if you want to keep your PCI slots open.

kubelik

  • EOS 5DS R
  • ******
  • Posts: 823
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2011, 10:40:02 AM »
neuro, canihas, good points both.  however, my main focus was the fact that a high-performance desktop for photo-processing (and really any workplace) functions is very accessible, and there's no reason to be daunted by 50 or 60 MB files coming off of a >21MP resolution camera.  for a modern shooter, your computer equipment is worth investing in just like good flash units or good lenses are worth investing in.

polpaulin

  • Guest
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2011, 12:21:04 PM »
neuro, canihas, good points both.  however, my main focus was the fact that a high-performance desktop for photo-processing (and really any workplace) functions is very accessible, and there's no reason to be daunted by 50 or 60 MB files coming off of a >21MP resolution camera.  for a modern shooter, your computer equipment is worth investing in just like good flash units or good lenses are worth investing in.
the reason is not the computer , I have a big MAC PRO, but the pixel size AND pixel pitch, I shall NEVER buy a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

JHorvat

  • Guest
Canon must hurry...
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2011, 12:36:47 PM »
Canon must hurry with introduction of new FF bodies otherwise Nikon will gather all attention when they announce two new FF bodies latter this month, D700 successor with 24MP sensor(likely to be a much improved D3x Sony designed sensor) and D3s successor with 18MP sensor(likely to be a Nikon designed).

canon rumors FORUM

Canon must hurry...
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2011, 12:36:47 PM »

unfocused

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *********
  • Posts: 3815
    • Mark Gordon Communications
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2011, 12:53:58 PM »
Quote
I shall NEVER buy a FF 35mm with 40 mp

Better hope whatever you do buy will last a long, long time because it may be hard to find cameras with less than 40 mp in a few years.

Quote
my main focus was the fact that a high-performance desktop for photo-processing (and really any workplace) functions is very accessible, and there's no reason to be daunted by 50 or 60 MB files coming off of a >21MP resolution camera.  for a modern shooter, your computer equipment is worth investing in just like good flash units or good lenses are worth investing in.

I agree, but with a slightly different perspective. I remember the days when, if you were serious about photography, you had to take a room in your home and completely convert it over to a darkroom, with enlarger, plumbing, sink, chemicals, etc. etc. (and that was only for black and white prints, almost no one could afford to do color on their own). The truth is, what I save in film costs alone probably more than offsets the cost of a new computer every three-four years.

skitron

  • EOS 7D Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 517
Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2011, 01:01:16 PM »
...a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

Why is that as long as they manage to control noise?
5D3, 70-200 f/2.8L IS II, 100L, 24-105L, Sigma 50/1.4 DG, Rokinon 14mm Canon TC 1.4x III

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D Mark III, 1D Mark V & 1Ds Mark IV Tidbits
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2011, 01:01:16 PM »