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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2011, 01:04:50 PM »
...a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

Why is that as long as they manage to control noise?
noise  seems to be all your life,  and IQ  at native ISO you have heard about it ?  a 1Ds is a pro camera not for tourists

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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2011, 01:08:58 PM »
I shall NEVER buy a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

Well, I for sure welcome any MP Increase, 40, 50, I don't care. Storage is cheap and to say it's for "Tourists" only is BS.   Long as it has speed and works.   When I shoot assignments now for the newspaper, I shoot strictly sRaw1 on the 5DII, but when I need something I know I'm going to have to crop to get the content, I shoot full size so I have the necessary latitude.   

Last week a friend shot a pair of nesting bald eagles with his 5DII and my 70-200 @ 200.   He cropped the hell out of it and had to enlarge it beyond being crappy to even see the birds.    Having 40MP would had lessened the burden some.


Also, nobody has mentioned, would Canon be sneaky and add their patented Foveon type sensor to a new flagship model?   

Honestly all I care about is they increase the IQ with more DR and increased noise performance.    Could this be solved by the new multi-layer sensor?   Anybody's guess for the next couple of weeks I guess.

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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2011, 01:13:09 PM »
I shall NEVER buy a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

Well, I for sure welcome any MP Increase, 40, 50, I don't care. Storage is cheap and to say it's for "Tourists" only is BS.   Long as it has speed and works.   When I shoot assignments now for the newspaper, I shoot strictly sRaw1 on the 5DII, but when I need something I know I'm going to have to crop to get the content, I shoot full size so I have the necessary latitude.   

Last week a friend shot a pair of nesting bald eagles with his 5DII and my 70-200 @ 200.   He cropped the hell out of it and had to enlarge it beyond being crappy to even see the birds.    Having 40MP would had lessened the burden some.


Also, nobody has mentioned, would Canon be sneaky and add their patented Foveon type sensor to a new flagship model?   

Honestly all I care about is they increase the IQ with more DR.    Could this be solved by the new multi-layer sensor?   Anybody's guess for the next couple of weeks I guess.
I see that you dont know what you  are talking about  a 7D is certainly the right camera  for you

I have an Hasselblad with 40 MP but the sensor is twice the one of a Canon  ... anyway to answer is spoiled time

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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2011, 01:14:35 PM »
call me a tourist anytime.

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2011, 01:32:09 PM »
...a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

Why is that as long as they manage to control noise?
noise  seems to be all your life,  and IQ  at native ISO you have heard about it ?  a 1Ds is a pro camera not for tourists

Noise is the primary thing that needs to be controlled (at the sensor level) to achieve high native ISO...thus IQ...
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2011, 01:47:10 PM »
I want better AF, DR, and IQ.  better FPS would be nice as well.

Megapixels could be anything Canon wants (greater than 21 at least), provided those criteria are met.  It's nice being able to crop down some when shooting with a FF camera.

I also like not having to stitch frames together to get a large image, since that doesn't necessarily work with architectural subjects that need everything straight to be truly straight.

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2011, 01:50:21 PM »
Canon should only have 1 camera in the MP race...probably the 1D Mark V. The 5D should stay around the 21-24MP range (or lower) with 7fps shooting, have an amazing focus system to compensate for the crap they put in the Mark II and up the high ISO capabilities so that 12800 is very usable. Ideally they should have 2 1D models, one for great high ISO performance in a lower 21MP body w/12fps shooting and another that pushes the 36MP mark with a more standard 7fps geared more for studio. With high MP comes lower ISO performance and slower speeds which most run & gun shooters with 5D's don't consider a worthy sacrifice.

All should have 1080p video @60fps with the 5d having allowing 120fps@720p.

The canon 8D really only needs a minor refresh with the previous movie modes, dual memory card slots, digic5 with better high ISO performance and 18-21MP @7+fps shooting. All of these specs should be possible. I think Nikon will stay in the 16-18MP range with their low light capable cameras so Canon should have the MP upper hand if they stay in the 18-21MP range. Since their cameras are already capable of this, I expect they could focus more attention to low light performance and speed.

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2011, 01:50:21 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2011, 02:06:48 PM »
I shall NEVER buy a FF 35mm with 40 mp it is a non sense, only good for tourists

call me a tourist anytime.

There are no permanent residents here. We are all tourists. Our visits are but a blink of the eye to the mountains and the sea.

I  want to see the world through the eyes of a tourist, where everything is new and unusual. How can a good photographer be anything but a tourist?
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 02:30:21 PM »
There is no fixed ratio between MP and noise FFS, or between pixel density and noise either. You can't extrapolate 3 and 4 year old sensors.


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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2011, 02:31:34 PM »
quote author=Flake link=topic=1444.msg20198#msg20198 date=1312529755]
Why would anyone want 36MP?  It's not a huge increase in terms of resolution, however the files are larger, meaning that there's less of them per GB, they take proportionatly longer to transfer to the PC longer to open & to apply PP.  On top of that noise is generally worse, and with that dynamic range takes a hit too.  Lens flaws are made even worse, processing in camera takes longer.

For me 25MP with better dynamic range (lower noise), a digic V processor with its greater power used to give more fps (3.9 just isn't quick enough).
If you need more MP then either buy a medium format (your work will obviously fund this) or if it's landscape the stitch two images together to acheive the same!
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Sounds like someone urgently needs to consider upgrading their computer system, or at least parts of it.

I on the other hand want the highest mp count they can possibly cram into the beast, 65mp? Bring it on!

Amazing! Only the other day you were decrying the noise & dynamic range of your current camera, and now you've done a complete 180 turn and decided that neither actually matter - nor image quality, all you want is high MP!  Make your mind up because you can't have both!

As for my PC it's quad core 8GB running windows 7  I think it's powerful enough, the laptop is a Lenovo W700 again more than powerful enough.

Clearly you're an amature snapper who processes just a few images at a time for those of us needing to process a couple of hundred at a go, twice the file size makes a huge difference to the time it takes, and that's regardless of computer power.
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lol, I knew a girl that they called the snapper--lets keep it at that

I agree with you, Flake.  I could easily setting just for a high enough MP to get rid of the AA filter and to improve DR.  Pending this next announcement will decide whether I buy another Canon or I go with a digital back.  I would like canon to have my back but I do prefer the 6x4.5 images.  It will have to take a stunning DR improvement to make me spend my dollars on another Canon camera because of my applications.

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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2011, 02:53:28 PM »
There is no fixed ratio between MP and noise FFS, or between pixel density and noise either. You can't extrapolate 3 and 4 year old sensors. *************************REMOVED*******************************

I get that liberace isn't famous for being subtle ... but let's keep things civil, yeah?
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2011, 05:08:50 PM »
It's seems funny to me that people who'll never want or buy a 1Ds have the desire to dicate what it should be?

IMHO it should be ground breakingly, achingly brilliant. It should blow everything else away in every aspect of it's ability and performance, price be dammed. You don't buy a Ferrari to commute, and you don't need a 1Ds to play.

I'm also a proud tourist - unfocused, brilliant response!

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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2011, 05:47:36 PM »
If a camera has N megapixels, the camera with the same technology but N + X megapixels is NEVER worse than the camera with N megapixels; it can only be better. Noise, detail, everything related to IQ.

It is the size of sensor which matters.

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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
... It is the size of sensor which matters.

100% correct.  It's physics.

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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 06:34:13 PM »
The whole idea behind a 1ds is to have all the best features available.. Made for pros that need them. There seems to be a lot of people commenting what the 1ds should be like and most the comments seem to be around hating the  camera being expensive and wanting the same features on a 2000$ camera. I dont get it.

The 5d mark II serves a good purpose.. It is a great camera for little money for semi- pros and also for pros that dont need or want the better functions and the built quality that the 1d series offers or want a more lightweight camera.

It is what it is... Deal with it, please.

The 1d is made for working professionals who want the best out of photography no matter what it costs.
For all i care the new 1Ds should cost 12 000$ to be a more separated from the 5d but thats Canon's call to make.


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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 06:34:13 PM »