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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2013, 03:26:07 PM »
I am new to DSLR's and will be traveling to Europe for a little over a month (leaving June 10th). I am pretty set on the XXD line, but would be interested in other suggestions. I was rather hopeful of the April 23rd announcement date, but now that has come and gone and no 70D. So do you guys 1) think the 70d bill be released before I leave? Or 2) think I should go for the 60D, or another suggestion.

Where do you go to? City-travelling? Nature-travelling? shooting Landscape ?

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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2013, 04:22:52 PM »
I am new to DSLR's and will be traveling to Europe for a little over a month (leaving June 10th). I am pretty set on the XXD line, but would be interested in other suggestions. I was rather hopeful of the April 23rd announcement date, but now that has come and gone and no 70D. So do you guys 1) think the 70d bill be released before I leave? Or 2) think I should go for the 60D, or another suggestion.

Where do you go to? City-travelling? Nature-travelling? shooting Landscape ?

I will be doing a lot of city-travelling and landscapes.
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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2013, 04:59:02 PM »
I am new to DSLR's and will be traveling to Europe for a little over a month (leaving June 10th). I am pretty set on the XXD line, but would be interested in other suggestions. I was rather hopeful of the April 23rd announcement date, but now that has come and gone and no 70D. So do you guys 1) think the 70d bill be released before I leave? Or 2) think I should go for the 60D, or another suggestion.

Where do you go to? City-travelling? Nature-travelling? shooting Landscape ?

How much do you want to spent for the equipment? Wahts the limit?

I will be doing a lot of city-travelling and landscapes.

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2013, 09:15:15 PM »
For all essential purposes, IQ is the same across the rebels, 60D, and 7D. The 60D and 7D give you much better user interface and the 7D gives much better focusing system.

It is very very very unlikely that the 70D will be out before you go.... I'd recommend getting a 60D, they are very inexpensive now and it is a very capable camera. Whatever camera you choose, the glass will have a greater impact on your photos than which sensor it is. Crop cameras and kit lenses equals soft pictures. Crop camera and good lenses equals sharp pictures.

My walkabout setup is a 60D, a 70-200F4 IS, and a 17-55F2.8. Those two lenses cover most things.... but I also bring a 10-22 when I expect a need for ultra wide angle, or a 400F5.6 when after birds.  The 17-55 has to be used to appreciate it... it really should be an L lens. Any of the 70-200's are SHARP!, but I went with the F4 version for lighter weight, and with outdoors use I don't really need the F2.8 version.

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2013, 10:01:11 PM »
For travel my 7D almost never comes out of my bag. My 5D MkII gets all of that work. I would go with a used or refurbished 5D MkII or a 6D I got about 80% of my great used off of GL I just took my 17 inch laptop with me. Took a couple of sample shoots and checked them.
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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2013, 10:18:21 PM »
For all essential purposes, IQ is the same across the rebels, 60D, and 7D. The 60D and 7D give you much better user interface and the 7D gives much better focusing system.

It is very very very unlikely that the 70D will be out before you go.... I'd recommend getting a 60D, they are very inexpensive now and it is a very capable camera. Whatever camera you choose, the glass will have a greater impact on your photos than which sensor it is. Crop cameras and kit lenses equals soft pictures. Crop camera and good lenses equals sharp pictures.

My walkabout setup is a 60D, a 70-200F4 IS, and a 17-55F2.8. Those two lenses cover most things.... but I also bring a 10-22 when I expect a need for ultra wide angle, or a 400F5.6 when after birds.  The 17-55 has to be used to appreciate it... it really should be an L lens. Any of the 70-200's are SHARP!, but I went with the F4 version for lighter weight, and with outdoors use I don't really need the F2.8 version.
I agree about the 60D. Still a great camera and the shoulder display makes operation easier compared to a rebel.

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2013, 10:29:30 PM »
Ughhh..... I am starting to have second thoughts....$2400 for a 6d Kit, versus a 60d for ~$650ish and $1750 for lenses and accessories. I thought it would be easier than this.   :-\
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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2013, 11:49:20 PM »
Well are you going to spend the $650 and then want the 6D and waste time and a bit of money. It is hard. I shoot with a t2i and say I am not going to buy anymore lens until I get a 6D but my 70-200 is coming tomorrow.

 

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2013, 04:12:47 AM »
Ughhh..... I am starting to have second thoughts....$2400 for a 6d Kit, versus a 60d for ~$650ish and $1750 for lenses and accessories. I thought it would be easier than this.   :-\

It isn't easy - that's why I'm still using my 60d, though I have decided to get the 6d sooner or later for those high-iso low-light af shots where the 60d simply cannot deliver. Also Magic Lantern on the 6d isn't ready yet :-p

But recently I have bought other gear (lighting, flash bracket, filters) that made my pictures so much better and I have learned that the limiting factor is me, not the camera sensor - and that's why I'm so underwhelmed by the 6d that has no *significant* (to me, ymmv) other gains over the 60d. And for €1800 I could buy one stellar zoom or two very good primes... I can encourage everybody to put thought into this, plus the camera body looses value quickly while lenses don't.
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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2013, 12:02:48 PM »
...I have learned that the limiting factor is me, not the camera sensor...

So true. So easy to get caught up in the "Bigger is Better," "Newer is Better," "More Expensive is Better" mindset. Especially when you take part in a forum where there is always someone who has a bigger, newer, more expensive toy.

We throw numbers around here like they mean nothing and tend to forget that for most people, spending $1,000 on a camera is one huge investment, not to mention $2,000 to $3,500.

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2013, 12:32:48 PM »
...I have learned that the limiting factor is me, not the camera sensor...

So true. So easy to get caught up in the "Bigger is Better," "Newer is Better," "More Expensive is Better" mindset. Especially when you take part in a forum where there is always someone who has a bigger, newer, more expensive toy.

We throw numbers around here like they mean nothing and tend to forget that for most people, spending $1,000 on a camera is one huge investment, not to mention $2,000 to $3,500.


So true. Thanks for that reminder.

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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2013, 02:10:35 PM »
...I have learned that the limiting factor is me, not the camera sensor...

So true. So easy to get caught up in the "Bigger is Better," "Newer is Better," "More Expensive is Better" mindset. Especially when you take part in a forum where there is always someone who has a bigger, newer, more expensive toy.

We throw numbers around here like they mean nothing and tend to forget that for most people, spending $1,000 on a camera is one huge investment, not to mention $2,000 to $3,500.
So true.... and we tend to forget the law of diminishing returns...a $5000 camera is not 5 times better than a $1000 camera.
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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2013, 07:00:00 AM »
I remember when I was hesitant to spend $100 on a digital camera... and what is REALLY funny is that for about 2 minutes I was thinking of buying a digital camera that was a combination camera/binoculars.  What the hell was I thinking. 

Over the past 2 to three years I have bought and sold enough gear that I can afford to buy guilt free a 5d mkiii (though it is still on my to do list), a 24-105mm, a 8mm fisheye (rokinon), a 100mm f/2.8L IS Macro, a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS mkii, and a 50mm f/1.4 which I will be upgrading to a 35mm f/1.4 sometime in the near future. 

It's crazy... soon I'll have more camera gear than my car will be worth...
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L-> 85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm -> 85mm f/1.2L mkii

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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2013, 03:11:30 PM »
...I have learned that the limiting factor is me, not the camera sensor...

So true. So easy to get caught up in the "Bigger is Better," "Newer is Better," "More Expensive is Better" mindset. Especially when you take part in a forum where there is always someone who has a bigger, newer, more expensive toy.

We throw numbers around here like they mean nothing and tend to forget that for most people, spending $1,000 on a camera is one huge investment, not to mention $2,000 to $3,500.


So true. Thanks for that reminder.

In my opinion the quality of an picture ist depending on an dynamic interaction between the camera and the photographer. Most times the photographer ist the limiting factor, sometimes the hardware you use. The ratio between is dynamically variying from situation to situation.
Sure, if you spend 10.000 € in your hardware, the probability to get an sharp, colourful  and well  exposed picture is higher than with an 700€ equipment.

But the real "photographical glance (German: Fotographischer Blick)" is something you have to learn sometimes very hard. And some of us will never get the feeling how to get an extraordinary photo. And some of us are aritically more inventive then others.

Some of you are posting great shots, where I say "wow". I often wonder, how and where you took the shot. Tipps to train getting better pictures are often missing.
I own many books, but only some of them are really teaching how to become a little bit better in photography. Most of my books show superb shots, but do not tell you how they got it. Or they use equipment, you will never own. (I just read an book on studio photography. Very interresting. But the writer uses an extraordinary expensive lightning system.)
So, it would be great, to learn from your experience.

But to answer the question:
I would buy an 60D too. the price/performance ratio is very good.
 If your budget is limited, you can buy Canon  EF-S 4-5,6 17-85 IS (~500€) and the Tamron 4-5,6 70-300 DI VC USD SP (~350€). A polarisation filter should not be missing.
A friend of mine, who is working in an crisis region, uses this equipment as it could be that he has to leave the region without his equipment. He is satisfied. The 60D and these two lenses are working good togeather. We checked it in an german photographic magazine.


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Re: 70d out in time?
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2013, 11:18:45 PM »
So I went into my local photography store the other night and compared between the 6d and 60d. I tried out probably upwards of 10 different lenses on each. I absolutely loved the 50mm 1.4, 24-70 2.8 II, and 70-200 f/2.8 IS. (Maybe someday on the latter two :D)

After spending well over an hour pouring over details and features of the lenses and cameras, I just ordered the 6d w/ 24-105 f/4L kit. I got it from B&H for $2400 (including the $200 rebate). I think the greatest features attracting me to the 6d is the FF sensor, because I anticipate shooting a lot of landscapes, and the high ISO performance. I actually already have my eye on a 17-40 f/4L for even wider angle landscapes, but that is further down the road.

So what I will be bringing on my trip is the 6d and 24-105 and my iPhone ;)

Thanks to everyone who helped me out with this decision!
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