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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2013, 08:04:17 AM »
I wish for Canon and everybody else to stop classifying cameras (and lenses) into "entry-level" and "pro" categories. The purchase of a DSLR should be based on (a) budget and (b) requirements. Unless somebody gives me a 1DX (for free), I will never purchase one. For the type of photography that I do, an xxxD is more than adequate.

Hear Hear!  A more eloquent version of my earlier point.

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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2013, 09:50:37 AM »
Most of the lenses I used (and occasionally still use) on my 3 weren't quite 20 years old ...

I regularly use my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM on the ol' EOS 3 ...
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2013, 10:09:11 AM »
Lets be clear on one thing.

When canon inc filled out the Forms to make a corporation their is two boxes to choose from.

For profit or for non-profit

I believe canon chose wisely.

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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2013, 10:26:42 AM »
For profit or for non-profit.

Unlike cattle, goats and chickens which generally multiply by themselves, a for-profit company is dependent on consumers buying their products (or services). If Canon cannot deliver the goods, then consumers will stop giving them money. (Cf. Pentax Corporation.)
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2013, 11:43:07 AM »
Welcome to the part 1 thread which deals with Entry Level and Camera's for the Novice. Part 2 will address Amatuer and Enthusiast users. Part 3 will address Advanced user and Pro Camera.

The Idea is to discuss Canon strategy for these three groups so that we as the consumer can take benefit.

So I will start with my take, parts 2 and 3 will be started in one and two weeks time respectively.

Assumptions that Canon has made:

1. The Smart Phone and Tablet Market will advance and grow to the point where it more or less destroys the Point and Shoot/CSC/Mirrorless market this process will take around 5 years. What customer wants to carry or use up the space of 2 portable devices in their Handbags. We must prepare and protect ourselves for this.
2. There has to be a differentiator What is it: Everyone aspires to be a photographer, people who walk around with Smart Phones and Tablets are not photographers they are simply casual tourists or they are out with their friends having a good time. A real photographer carries a DSLR. OK we found it! Carrying A DSLR is a lifestyle statement it sets Photographers apart from the SP/T users, everyone in the world realises this difference, so as all as we have to do is feed and maintain this differentiator and we stay in Business.
3. We are the Market Leader and to a great extent we will ignore what our competition is doing, we will follow our Strategy through the peaks and troughs and in the end we will survive and still be market leader. We believe this wholeheartedly.
4. Our current and our competitors product range is all over the place, first thing we need to do is standardise the products we sell for each market segment.

Let the story begin welcome to the Back to the Future Part 1 thread relating to Entry Level Camera's for the Novice

re #4.  forget competitors.  Products are more or less standardized with common sensors.  Electronics probably also standardized except for lower performance components.  Difference is firmware.

More important, is how to differentiate vs competitions (smart phones - which BTW have fixed lenses).  Think Marketing 101

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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2013, 12:37:37 PM »
For profit or for non-profit.

Unlike cattle, goats and chickens which generally multiply by themselves, a for-profit company is dependent on consumers buying their products (or services). If Canon cannot deliver the goods, then consumers will stop giving them money. (Cf. Pentax Corporation.)

Pentax seem to be hanging on, and have some very nice design work coming out, I thought the K-01 was excellent and the new MX-1 very nice also.  They've always ploughed their own furrow, Pentax, I reckon if I didn't shoot Canon I'd shoot pentax.  Certainly what you get for the money (that 16MP sensor, weather sealing, massive legacy of inexpensive lenses) lang may the pentax lum reek.  They are an interesting company making capable cameras at sensible prices.  Canon could learn a lot from them.

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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2013, 01:36:07 PM »
Problem with Pentax is that over here in South Africa they are very difficult to find - forget about "Limited Edition" lenses - and the price is such that a Canon EOS 7D is cheaper. Also, they've crippled the K-mount so much that all that nice legacy lenses - especially PENTAX-M - is too much of a hassle. The K-01 ... never saw one for sale anywhere over here.
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2013, 09:28:11 PM »
Why did you buy your first DSLR and under what circumstances:

I had the desire to create good photo's better than I could achieve with a phone camera, so I made the decision to finally purchase the type of Camera I had always wanted a DSLR.

To be honest I dropped lucky, at that time I did not really know anything about photography, I had never heard of this forum and I had never really read anything on the subject. Worse I purchased the Camera from a Department Store and in hindsight it transpires that the Salesman knew very little either. Today I would not do such a thing because I am much wiser.

When I say I dropped lucky I fell for the 550D this was opposed to all the other brands and Canons other offerings. Why? I liked the feel of it and I suppose I liked the package that came with it (ignorant or what!) I do remember considering the 5D2 and I had the money to purchase it but as a newbee it somehow made me feel intimidated (How dare you and you have no right to own me with your current skill level and no I don't have a pop up flash you idiot) so I left it on the shelf.

Following the purchase the Camera never left my Hand and the instruction manual became dog eared very quickly. I bought Books and surfed the net, began to understand DOF/Aperture/ISO and the like. My photography improved no end.

So I come back to one of my original points owning a DSLR allows a newbee to improve their level of competence and sets you apart from being a smart phone or tablet photographer and I wonder how many newbees started out with a similar story. But in point owning a DSLR sets you apart from the crowd and starts you off on the journey to improve your photographic skills. Unfortunately it is a lifestyle statement that we have to live with. So hold your trophy with pride as you shoot away.

So what's your story and what got you into Photography what prompted you to purchase your first DSLR?
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2013, 10:48:50 PM »
My desire to take the best quality photographs possible.  I was tired of taking sub par photos and then open up Nat Geo and see such breath taking work.  I now regularly, daily, produce such quality and now I can focus more on the subject instead of blurry images with bad CA and barrel distortion.

I shot with film 30 years ago and during the 90s and early 2000's digital was just not there yet and film was getting more difficult to work with (I had my own full color darkroom).  Chemicals were getting scarce and more expensive and a lot of local suppliers were closing shop.  For a time I had little options available so started a family.  During that time the digital revolution took hold and today the equipment far exceeds what was available back then...we also now have instant gratification of seeing what we just shot (chimping)!

Some of us need a 12 step program but in the mean time, the wonders of the world beg to be captured and shared and that is my mission.

Why did you buy your first DSLR and under what circumstances:

I had the desire to create good photo's better than I could achieve with a phone camera, so I made the decision to finally purchase the type of Camera I had always wanted a DSLR.

To be honest I dropped lucky, at that time I did not really know anything about photography, I had never heard of this forum and I had never really read anything on the subject. Worse I purchased the Camera from a Department Store and in hindsight it transpires that the Salesman knew very little either. Today I would not do such a thing because I am much wiser.

When I say I dropped lucky I fell for the 550D this was opposed to all the other brands and Canons other offerings. Why? I liked the feel of it and I suppose I liked the package that came with it (ignorant or what!) I do remember considering the 5D2 and I had the money to purchase it but as a newbee it somehow made me feel intimidated (How dare you and you have no right to own me with your current skill level and no I don't have a pop up flash you idiot) so I left it on the shelf.

Following the purchase the Camera never left my Hand and the instruction manual became dog eared very quickly. I bought Books and surfed the net, began to understand DOF/Aperture/ISO and the like. My photography improved no end.

So I come back to one of my original points owning a DSLR allows a newbee to improve their level of competence and sets you apart from being a smart phone or tablet photographer and I wonder how many newbees started out with a similar story. But in point owning a DSLR sets you apart from the crowd and starts you off on the journey to improve your photographic skills. Unfortunately it is a lifestyle statement that we have to live with. So hold your trophy with pride as you shoot away.

So what's your story and what got you into Photography what prompted you to purchase your first DSLR?

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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2013, 11:48:44 PM »
Pentax seem to be hanging on, and have some very nice design work coming out, I thought the K-01 was excellent and the new MX-1 very nice also.  They've always ploughed their own furrow, Pentax, I reckon if I didn't shoot Canon I'd shoot pentax.  Certainly what you get for the money (that 16MP sensor, weather sealing, massive legacy of inexpensive lenses) lang may the pentax lum reek.  They are an interesting company making capable cameras at sensible prices.  Canon could learn a lot from them.

I agree. I started with a great deal on a Q, liked the interface so much I sprung for a K-01 when it was being dumped at super low prices.  Liked it so much I bough a 2nd one and another Q to use for, well, I'm not sure yet.
I now have K-5 IIs and a pile of K-mount glass, new and old, to play with.
I'm really enjoying shooting with Pentax more than with Nikon or even Canon, despite how familiar I am with the latter and how much I like the clean raw files of the former.  Pentax is like a decent combination of Canon operability with SoNikon raw file quality.  Sensible control layout, lots of customization and good ergonomics. Some poor ergonomics and control layout options too but, overall, I enjoy using my K-5 like I enjoyed the 7D and I feel more comfortable with knowing I can push that raw file pretty hard if I want to.
OTOH, the non-AA-filtered K-5 IIs (k52s from now on) delivers great per-pixel sharpness with a good lens, but is also showing up false color in some shots I didn't expect to have problems with so I may have to opt for a regular K5 for those scenes where I'm dealing with lots of specular hilites.

EDIT:  forgot to add, I wish Ricoh-Pentax would learn a few marketing tricks from CANON.  I don't ever recall ever seeing a Pentax ad.  If it wasn't for the encouragement of ONE Pentax shooting friend, and plenty of solid convincing from my local Pentax rep, I'd likely have never bought into the system.  I'd have been more tempted to go Fuji.
And that's my ABC (Anybody But Canon) story.  I'll likely end up using the weather-sealed Pentax gear more for foul-weather work than my other systems.  Their weather-resistant consumer level lenses are a great idea and they work well enough to use them in inclement conditions where better sharpness and optical performance is not essential.
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Re: Back to the Future Parts 1/2/3 Canon Strategy
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