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EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« on: April 29, 2013, 07:20:40 AM »
Another mention
More mentions of a replacement to the longest lens in the Canon lineup. We’re told the new 800mm will be announced once the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x has begun shipping. There’s a possibility we’ll see at least a development announcement some time this fall. There was no mention of the EF 200 f/2L IS, a lens that was announced alongside the original 800mm only 5 short years ago. Beyond a new build type in materials, the lens will be a “nearly identical” optical formula, although improvements in vignetting and sharpness are probable.

Announcement timing could also depend on stock levels with retailers, not so much with Canon itself. I don’t imagine too many of these are made and warehoused.

I have had communication from a few other anonymous people that the next 800 would have a built-in teleconverter, which is not something I think will happen.

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EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« on: April 29, 2013, 07:20:40 AM »

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 08:25:41 AM »
They almost have to release an 800/5.6 MkII.  The 600/4 MkII with a 1.4xIII gives an 840mm f/5.6 lens that's lighter and has better IQ than the current 800L.  Can't imagine they're selling many 800s these days...
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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 09:52:47 AM »
They almost have to release an 800/5.6 MkII.  The 600/4 MkII with a 1.4xIII gives an 840mm f/5.6 lens that's lighter and has better IQ than the current 800L.  Can't imagine they're selling many 800s these days...

Can't imagine they're selling many 800s other days...

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 10:54:04 AM »
They almost have to release an 800/5.6 MkII.  The 600/4 MkII with a 1.4xIII gives an 840mm f/5.6 lens that's lighter and has better IQ than the current 800L.  Can't imagine they're selling many 800s these days...

This is something I have have heard many time's but I have seen file's comparing the EF800 to the EF600 mk2 with 1.4111 and the ef800 is still the better len's,and not by an insignificant margin... I just sold my ef800 and am expecting delivery of a Nikon 800 but I might hold on a little longer to see what happens with the canon 800mk2..

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 11:41:26 AM »
I can also testify that the 600 mk II with 1.4x is sharper than the bare 800mm.  It is not by a lot, but still noticeable.  The bonus is that the 600mm mk II can take the 2x very well also.  I've been able to get great results with that combo. 

However, for those that want to get past 500mm, I think a used 800mm is now an excellent value.  I would only assume that a new 800mm II would be priced around 15k or more (Nikon version is what 18k?).  I am still not sure what a 800mm f/5.6 II + 1.4x III would give as an advantage over the 600mm II + 2x III.

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 12:21:40 PM »
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[...]"the next 800 would have a built-in teleconverter, which is not something I think will happen."

sounds like the Nikon 800mm + 1,2x !  ::)

Whats going on with Canon... so boring the last years =/. Slow developpement & high prices...  :-X

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 01:26:27 PM »
The bonus is that the 600mm mk II can take the 2x very well also.  I've been able to get great results with that combo.

As have I.  The 600 II + 2xIII is also sharper than the 800L + 1.4xII/III. 

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 01:30:24 PM »
What sort of performance would I get if I put my 2x III on the 400 mm version II? Close to the 800 mm performance up til now?

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 01:33:55 PM »
Too soon and there are a lot of other other lenses that are older and need an update than a low volume lens like the 800mm.

I see a replacement shipping in volume as early as 2020. At the pace the 200-400 is at right now I expect its timeline to be just that.
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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 01:53:20 PM »
Most of the lenses need an upgrade to really take advantage of the high MP sensors coming out. 

Canon took on a lot of delays getting up to speed after the quake.  Even after they said they were back in full operation, they were still being impacted, mostly by other parts suppliers and that the fluorite processing facilities were flat out shut down too long.  Takes a long time to make fluorite lenses.

I can imagine that they are even now still feeling some impacts from the quake.

Too soon and there are a lot of other other lenses that are older and need an update than a low volume lens like the 800mm.

I see a replacement shipping in volume as early as 2020. At the pace the 200-400 is at right now I expect its timeline to be just that.

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2013, 01:55:24 PM »
and the 1200 F5.6 is also way overdue for updating.... and probably costs more than my house.
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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2013, 02:32:26 PM »
and the 1200 F5.6 is also way overdue for updating.... and probably costs more than my house.
I'd be more inclined to get that than an updated 800mm
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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2013, 05:24:12 PM »
Why bother with a new 800mm if there's not much to improve at the moment?

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2013, 07:25:08 PM »
I am really looking forward to the new 800 Mk2!
When Canon brought out the other Mk2 Superteles the Mk1 versions were/are selling for what they cost new (often more). As I got my 800 for little more than a 300 F2.8 Mk2 I could make a real killing, though I would not be tempted by an 800 mk2 as I am so pleased with the IQ on my existing model. I managed to have a go with a 500 F4 Mk2 a little while ago and found it excellent (and VERY light) but compared to my 300 F2.8 IS and 800 F5.6 IS Mk1's I did not see enough of an improvement in IQ to justify the excessive costs of this Mk2 lens - good though it was it cost more than I paid for both my 300 F2.8 IS and 800 F5.6 IS lenses. Admittedly they were second hand but in near mint condition.

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Re: EF 800mm f/5.6L IS II [CR2]
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2013, 09:37:40 PM »
Kinda strange. I live in Asia. Over here the 800 IS is strictly taboo. The big retailers in BKK have the same ones sitting on there shelves and begging people to buy them. The new 500 II and 600 II are flying off the shelves here. When I bought my 500 II in four hours I saw two sold.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2013, 09:37:40 PM »