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60D on the way out?
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:50:46 PM »
Big sales on the 60D around here.... Body for $700, with 18-200 for $1000, and for some inexplicable reason, with 18-200 and tripod for $1900..... Bet they don't sell any of the last package....

Kind of looks like an attempt to clear out the 60D stock before the 70D is announced.
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60D on the way out?
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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 08:59:07 PM »
At Christmas time last year the 60D was on sale everywhere and it was reported that stocks were running low.
And yet, no 70D was announced in January, despite the expectations, and there's still no 70D in sight.

Also consider that the T5i and the 6D are priced exactly the same as Nikon's D5200 and D600 respectively.
That is, both Canon and Nikon have the same price gap between their respective models.

Inside this price gap, Nikon has only model - the D7100
Will Canon have two models - both the 70D and 7DII?

Don't know but I'm starting to think that the next camera from Canon will be 7DII.
And that we may not see a 70D this year - if at all.

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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 09:13:39 PM »
At Christmas time last year the 60D was on sale everywhere and it was reported that stocks were running low.
And yet, no 70D was announced in January, despite the expectations, and there's still no 70D in sight.

Also consider that the T5i and the 6D are priced exactly the same as Nikon's D5200 and D600 respectively.
That is, both Canon and Nikon have the same price gap between their respective models.

Inside this price gap, Nikon has only model - the D7100
Will Canon have two models - both the 70D and 7DII?

Don't know but I'm starting to think that the next camera from Canon will be 7DII.
And that we may not see a 70D this year - if at all.

It is an interesting point.... FF cameras have become a lot more common, and the 6D takes a good swipe at the enthusiast market. There is a definite market for a high-end APS-C body, but is there enough of a market for two? Is there space between the 7D2 and the T5i for a 70D when the main advantage of the 70D over the T5i is the shoulder display.... particularly with the 6D getting so close to where the 70D would be selling?
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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 09:23:17 PM »
At Christmas time last year the 60D was on sale everywhere and it was reported that stocks were running low.
And yet, no 70D was announced in January, despite the expectations, and there's still no 70D in sight.

Also consider that the T5i and the 6D are priced exactly the same as Nikon's D5200 and D600 respectively.
That is, both Canon and Nikon have the same price gap between their respective models.

Inside this price gap, Nikon has only model - the D7100
Will Canon have two models - both the 70D and 7DII?

Don't know but I'm starting to think that the next camera from Canon will be 7DII.
And that we may not see a 70D this year - if at all.

It is an interesting point.... FF cameras have become a lot more common, and the 6D takes a good swipe at the enthusiast market. There is a definite market for a high-end APS-C body, but is there enough of a market for two? Is there space between the 7D2 and the T5i for a 70D when the main advantage of the 70D over the T5i is the shoulder display.... particularly with the 6D getting so close to where the 70D would be selling?
Hmm, it remains to be seen, if they squeeze it in there they'll figure out a way to position it with some features.

I had a look at prices on a Swedish web shop yesterday, I'm moving back there in a few weeks. I wanted to see the price of the 100D/SL1. The 60D is only about 70 USD more than the 100D. The 650D being 150 USD below the 100D and the 700D prices the same as the 60D.  Makes sense?

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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 10:36:07 PM »
I would love to know how successful the 60D was, especially compared to the XXD series. I was going to get one, hoping it would be a improved 50D, but it became a completely different camera.  I ended up getting the 7D instead.  With the cheaper 6D now, and maybe a 7DII coming, maybe they won't even release another XXD camera. T5i is great, 7DII as the next model up might cover it all.  Curious to see what they do...

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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 10:42:24 PM »
The day a new camera is introduced, its on its way out.  Its just a matter of how long it will be.  I'd expect to see it replaced bt the end of August.

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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 10:51:23 PM »
You could find solid deals on the 60D for the past year and a half.  I bought  a 60D and a 18-135 for $800 maybe... and I sold both pieces for something like $1050.  You just have to look constantly. 

A few weeks back, I got a 60D body and a 70-300mm (after instant rebate) for 850.  I sold the 60D for $600 and I presume I can get $350 for the lens.  So and easy enough $100.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 11:02:05 PM »
At Christmas time last year the 60D was on sale everywhere and it was reported that stocks were running low.
And yet, no 70D was announced in January, despite the expectations, and there's still no 70D in sight.

Also consider that the T5i and the 6D are priced exactly the same as Nikon's D5200 and D600 respectively.
That is, both Canon and Nikon have the same price gap between their respective models.

Inside this price gap, Nikon has only model - the D7100
Will Canon have two models - both the 70D and 7DII?

Don't know but I'm starting to think that the next camera from Canon will be 7DII.
And that we may not see a 70D this year - if at all.

It is an interesting point.... FF cameras have become a lot more common, and the 6D takes a good swipe at the enthusiast market. There is a definite market for a high-end APS-C body, but is there enough of a market for two? Is there space between the 7D2 and the T5i for a 70D when the main advantage of the 70D over the T5i is the shoulder display.... particularly with the 6D getting so close to where the 70D would be selling?

When I bought my 60D, I was willing to pay $800 for the body, the the 7D was easily $1300-1500  I was upgrading from an XS and there was no way I could afford upgrading to the 7D.  I did not like the way the t3i felt, let alone the performance (I do some sports photography). 

If I had a t3 and I was looking to upgrade, I would sell the t3 for $350.  Just like before, I wouldn't want to stay in the rebel line because it isn't a sufficient reason to upgrade.  So the 7D mkii will probably be $1700 for the body for the first 6+ months and the 6D on a good day is $1500.  So my cost after selling the t3 would be between 1150 to 1350 which is too rich for my blood considering I was/am a hobbiest. 

Having said that, I am selling my 60D and I will buy a 5d mkiii... but I've had several years to build up a little nest of cash that I can use for the gear. 
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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 11:21:25 PM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 11:36:06 PM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.
Sounds like a reasonable positioning, especially the talks about the 7D2 to become a 1Dx light materialises, then there will be plenty of room for the 70D to be a very good camera.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 11:45:18 PM »
Don't forget about the autofocus on the 7D, It sounds like autofocus is what pushed a lot of people to that camera (similar to the 5D3 right now).
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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2013, 01:31:29 AM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.

it would be better if 70D would have features like the old XXD line...the 60D is really unuseful today; more or less the same features of XXXD line
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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2013, 08:05:54 AM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.

 don't forget about afma...  that is one feature I would dearly love to have back in the xxd  line. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 08:08:14 AM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.

it would be better if 70D would have features like the old XXD line...the 60D is really unuseful today; more or less the same features of XXXD line
what features.  afma  yes,  but I'm drawing a blank on what else is missing.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: 60D on the way out?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 10:25:05 AM »
To me it always seemed that the 60D is the "slower" version of the 7D. Same sensor, nearly the same body size. Some pro features.  The extra money for the 7D went to the magnesium body, the weather-proofing, and the faster fps.  This is why I went with the 60D a year and a half ago, I'm a landscape shooter and I don't care a lick about the fps. (but the extra weatherproofing and magnesium body would have been nice, but not $600 nice) A lot of the reviews I read put the IQ of both nearly equal (with some even giving the edge to the 60D in IQ).  This leads me to believe that the 2 (potentially) upcoming cameras will have roughly the same relationship. 

Nearly equal IQ

higher fps/weatherproofing on the 7DII

$500-$700 more.

it would be better if 70D would have features like the old XXD line...the 60D is really unuseful today; more or less the same features of XXXD line
what features.  afma  yes,  but I'm drawing a blank on what else is missing.

Magnesium alloy body, joystick control, faster fps. I'm surprised they actually lowered the fps.

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Re: 60D on the way out?
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