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Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« on: May 03, 2013, 09:01:28 AM »
Is there any reason to believe that this sigma lens won't be compatible with future Canon camera? I have never used non-canon lenses before. Can someone shed some light on this issue? Or is it just made-up nonsense? By the way, it's a wonderful lens priced fairly and made with sincerity.
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Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 09:39:49 AM »
I'm pretty sure that's why Sigma introduced the docking station for firmware upgrades.

Canon and Nikon may change their firmware in the future to try to shut third party lenses out of some features. By offering a docking station, major firmware upgrades can be added to the lenses at home. Sigma can release new firmware and, hopefully, stay one step ahead.
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 10:02:58 AM »
I think this is mainly made-up to cut into the sales of 3rd party lensmakers. It would be possible to make a DSLR body, that only accepts EF lenses. But to do so, there should be something in the lens that lets them identify as an EF lens. I do not think that Canon has anything like this in their older EF-lenses.

So if Canon likes to keep its compatibility to their old lenses, then the Sigma lenses will also keep working on EOS bodies.

It will be interesting to see, if we will get 3rd party lenses for the EOS-M or the Nikon 1, or it Canikon buildt this "feature" into their new mirrorles cameras.

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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 10:30:49 AM »
I'm pretty sure that's why Sigma introduced the docking station for firmware upgrades.

Canon and Nikon may change their firmware in the future to try to shut third party lenses out of some features. By offering a docking station, major firmware upgrades can be added to the lenses at home. Sigma can release new firmware and, hopefully, stay one step ahead.

That's the rationale I used when I handed them $900 for the new 35mm f/1.4. I had never used a non-Canon lens, and I wasn't looking forward to owning a brick when Canon locked out third party lenses.

I also think the Canon users would scream too vehemently about such a move. Locking out some functionality on batteries is one thing, but lenses would not go down easily!
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 10:52:16 AM »
 3rd party lenses being abandoned is real, but i think it hasn't been done with anything recent. there are many older 3rd party lenses that are either completely useless, or only work in manual focus mode. There are usually a few at b&h or Adorama's used department(they state it). Once i nearly bought a manual focus only sigma 500mm f something(can't recall), but then decided against it.

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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 11:05:21 AM »
I think this is mainly made-up to cut into the sales of 3rd party lensmakers.

3rd party lenses 'borrow' lens codes from old Canon lenses. In some cases, this has caused problems - for example, off-center AF points not working properly on 40/50/60D and 7D bodies for many Tamron lenses.  Of course, Canon lenses were affected, too...which probably annoyed the 4-5 people using a 20 year old 35-80mm zoom lens on a recent dSLR.  ;)
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »
I think this is mainly made-up to cut into the sales of 3rd party lensmakers. It would be possible to make a DSLR body, that only accepts EF lenses. But to do so, there should be something in the lens that lets them identify as an EF lens. I do not think that Canon has anything like this in their older EF-lenses.

So if Canon likes to keep its compatibility to their old lenses, then the Sigma lenses will also keep working on EOS bodies.

It will be interesting to see, if we will get 3rd party lenses for the EOS-M or the Nikon 1, or it Canikon buildt this "feature" into their new mirrorles cameras.


Nikon has already patented a technology that could - potentially - prevent the use of third-party lenses on Nikon cameras:

http://petapixel.com/2013/04/14/nikon-patent-shows-password-protection-for-lensbody-combinations/
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 12:32:05 PM »
I can still exchange for the canon 35L now. But I'm weary of paying extra 4-500 dollars.
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 12:43:04 PM »
I've had 5 or 6 Sigma Lenses that failed to work after a new Canon camera model appeared.  It happened twice, but hasn't been a issue for newer Sigma lenses made in the last 10 years. 
 
 
Certainly, it can happen again.  Most of my lenses could not be updated, but I did pay Sigma $100+ to update my 105mm Macro.
 
 
Those who say it cannot happen only need look back to the past, its already happened twice, because after Sigma fixed them, they broke again with a new Canon model.  All Canon lenses worked fine, Sigma had done a poor job of reverse engineering.
 
I'd hope that at least the very few Sigma lenses that have upgradable firmware could be fixed by the user, but that is a unknown.  Certainly, most of them might require a hardware fix.
 
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013, 12:46:07 PM »
Personally I look at this a little differently. Don't worry too far in the future, look at what's best for the near future. Even if the worst were to happen with a future model, you can continue to use it with existing equipment for its working life. Unless they release a firmware to break it...
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM »
Agree with the docking station making the new lenses "future proof", I bet it would rather be in Sigma's interest for CaNikon to change up their protocols, as they will sell loads of those docks once that happens :P

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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2013, 02:04:33 PM »
Keep in mind too that there is more than a little risk for any camera manufacturer who would completely shut out third-party lens makers.

They'd have to consider the ill-will they'd be generating among their best customers, since those who buy third-party lenses are also the ones with the discretionary income to buy Canon lenses and Canon cameras. Is it really worth it to antagonize those customers?

Canon doesn't operate a monopoly. If they make it impossible to use third-party lenses, that will only drive customers to Nikon. Right now, the two companies compete relentlessly over insignificant differences in their products. Ceding the third-party compatibility issue to the other side would be handing them a massive competitive advantage.

Shutting out Sigma, Tokina or Tamron would also mean shutting out Zeiss. Granted, it's a very small market, but I don't think either Canon nor Nikon would want to hand over these high-end luxury buyers to the other side.

Yes, I can see Canon and Nikon engineering new features into their lenses and trying to keep those features from being accessible by third party lenses, but that's a far different case than completely shutting out a competitor's lenses.
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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2013, 02:13:31 PM »
It's such a small price to pay when so much other stuff can happen in life.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 02:13:52 PM »
just like to add, i don't think that would shutout Zeiss, as I think they have an agreement with Canon, so it's all cool.   also, I can't imagine canon or nikon is worried about making people mad for shutting out 3rd party lenses.

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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 03:30:53 PM »
Keep in mind too that there is more than a little risk for any camera manufacturer who would completely shut out third-party lens makers.

They'd have to consider the ill-will they'd be generating among their best customers, since those who buy third-party lenses are also the ones with the discretionary income to buy Canon lenses and Canon cameras. Is it really worth it to antagonize those customers?

Canon doesn't operate a monopoly. If they make it impossible to use third-party lenses, that will only drive customers to Nikon. Right now, the two companies compete relentlessly over insignificant differences in their products. Ceding the third-party compatibility issue to the other side would be handing them a massive competitive advantage.

Shutting out Sigma, Tokina or Tamron would also mean shutting out Zeiss. Granted, it's a very small market, but I don't think either Canon nor Nikon would want to hand over these high-end luxury buyers to the other side.

Yes, I can see Canon and Nikon engineering new features into their lenses and trying to keep those features from being accessible by third party lenses, but that's a far different case than completely shutting out a competitor's lenses.

While there would be backlash, do not think companies are afraid to do so.  For proof, just look at what Canon did in 1987 with the development of the EF mount.

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Re: Sigma 35 1.4 compatibility with future canon cameras
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