No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]

[sanj]

A great shot is a great shot. Weither its from an a1400 or a 1Dx. It's more convienent to get the shot with a 1Dx but If you got it with a a1400, both would be great shots. That's the principle and has nothing to do with equipment.

A great photo is a great photo. It's irrelevant what equipment was used.

Basic failure of logic.  A great photo can be taken with any camera, but it does not follow that every great photo can be taken with any camera.

No one is contesting the former, the latter assumption is where you're incorrect.

But just because the great photo would be different from the a1400 than the 1Dx makes it no less great.

IE: great wide angle shot of a landscape is no less great than a tele-compressed photo landscape, which could also be just as good.

Oh, sure. Look...here's this great photo of the Western Greebe's courtship ritual taken with the A1400.  The birds are those two tiny, dark specks there.  What a great photo. 

The photographer chooses the shot. For some shots, 'any camera' just won't do.

It's obvious you're practicing reductio ad absurdum - and you're doing a great job of sounding absurd in the process.  Feel free to keep on baiting, I've fed you enough troll food in this thread.

More like look, a close up wide shot of the western gebes courtship and here's another of them tele compressed.

Which one is better? Neither, they're both good. That's were I disagree, one shot was easier to get and the other was extremely difficult but the end product is the same.

The end product is not the same. Simple FACT of the matter is...you could NEVER get that close to a courting Grebe couple in the first place! You would scare them off LONG before you ever got close enough to photograph them as more than two black and white specks with the A1400. That all assumes you aren't arrested first for encroaching upon the habitat of a protected bird.

Your hypothesis only works in a dream world where there are no environmental and wildlife protection laws, and in which birds are completely unafraid of idiotic human activity. You CAN NOT get that close to a Grebe, especially a courting couple. There are matters of respect that must be addressed. If I saw a photographer like you out in the wild at some protected migrating bird stopover, sloshing through the water so get a snapshot of a couple grebes, I'd happily nark on him and get his ass arrested for being a disrespectful jackass.

You can wish and hope all you want, but it's still absurd to think you can literally "get the shot", hell "get any shot" with a $100 P&S wide angle camera, in any situation. You can't.

At this point, it's obvious your just trolling. Your making absurd arguments just for the sake of making absurd arguments. That's fine...it only really hurts you. I think it's clear no one here believes a word you are spouting anymore, so I'm quite happily done with the conversation.

It is obvious that RLP has never tried bird photography and so is talking so ignorantly... Sad...

[Sporgon]

All is not in vain 

If nothing else this thread has made me want to come over and see a couple of Western Grebes perform their mating dance. 

Trouble is I don't intend to swim one handed whilst holding the camera up above the water, and I can't afford a 600mm lens 

What to do ?

[privatebydesign]

All is not in vain 

If nothing else this thread has made me want to come over and see a couple of Western Grebes perform their mating dance. 

Trouble is I don't intend to swim one handed whilst holding the camera up above the water, and I can't afford a 600mm lens 

What to do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOD1imznwRY

[dlleno]

All is not in vain 

If nothing else this thread has made me want to come over and see a couple of Western Grebes perform their mating dance. 

Trouble is I don't intend to swim one handed whilst holding the camera up above the water, and I can't afford a 600mm lens 

What to do ?

you just have to be patient. its only a matter of convenience, you see, so if you are willing to wait out the odds, until you are able to swim one-handed whilts holding the camera, and coaxing the birds to stay put,  you will get the photo and it will be great.  If you wait long enough, the odds tell you that it will happen!

[jrista]

The end product is not the same. Simple FACT of the matter is...you could NEVER get that close to a courting Grebe couple in the first place! You would scare them off LONG before you ever got close enough to photograph them as more than two black and white specks with the A1400. That all assumes you aren't arrested first for encroaching upon the habitat of a protected bird.

Your hypothesis only works in a dream world where there are no environmental and wildlife protection laws, and in which birds are completely unafraid of idiotic human activity. You CAN NOT get that close to a Grebe, especially a courting couple. There are matters of respect that must be addressed. If I saw a photographer like you out in the wild at some protected migrating bird stopover, sloshing through the water so get a snapshot of a couple grebes, I'd happily nark on him and get his ass arrested for being a disrespectful jackass.

You can wish and hope all you want, but it's still absurd to think you can literally "get the shot", hell "get any shot" with a $100 P&S wide angle camera, in any situation. You can't.

At this point, it's obvious your just trolling. Your making absurd arguments just for the sake of making absurd arguments. That's fine...it only really hurts you. I think it's clear no one here believes a word you are spouting anymore, so I'm quite happily done with the conversation.

It is obvious that RLP has never tried bird photography and so is talking so ignorantly... Sad...

It's not just this, though. Same kind of debate ensued regarding a comment I made about the closing gap between FF and MF. Similar, anecdotal, non-factual comments there as well, and generally debating a point I never made. Not sure why he persists in his flawed arguments...but I've grown tired of trying.

[jrista]

All is not in vain 

If nothing else this thread has made me want to come over and see a couple of Western Grebes perform their mating dance. 

Trouble is I don't intend to swim one handed whilst holding the camera up above the water, and I can't afford a 600mm lens 

What to do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOD1imznwRY

That'll work!

[Sporgon]

All is not in vain 

If nothing else this thread has made me want to come over and see a couple of Western Grebes perform their mating dance. 

Trouble is I don't intend to swim one handed whilst holding the camera up above the water, and I can't afford a 600mm lens 

What to do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOD1imznwRY

That'll work!

 

And I never even got my feet wet ! Like it

[CanNotYet]

Sporgon. One word: SX50

[Don Haines]

A great shot is a great shot. Weither its from an a1400 or a 1Dx. It's more convienent to get the shot with a 1Dx but If you got it with a a1400, both would be great shots. That's the principle and has nothing to do with equipment.

A great photo is a great photo. It's irrelevant what equipment was used.

Basic failure of logic.  A great photo can be taken with any camera, but it does not follow that every great photo can be taken with any camera.

No one is contesting the former, the latter assumption is where you're incorrect.

This is a rare opportunity to prove that Neuro is wrong....

Let us examine the red squirrel, which will run away if you get too close. Since equipment has nothing to do with how great your shot is, I chose a GoPro and a 60D with a 400mm lens. My goal is to take a picture of a red squirrel for my community newspaper... Both pictures were taken a few minutes ago from the same location.

Picture 1 is the GoPro, Picture 2 is the crop of the squirrel on the GoPro, Picture 3 is the 60D, Picture 4 is the crop  of the 60D. I think we can all agree that there is no difference in quality between the GoPro squirrel crop and the 60D squirrel crop, and I think we can all agree that even if I had a 1DX and a 600F4 lens that the image would still be comparable to the GoPro. Sorry Neuro, there is no noticeable difference between images from the two cameras...

[neuroanatomist]

Nice try, Don...but I'm sure if you just put your mind to it and used your imagination, you could have gotten a great close up shot of the red squirrel with the GoPro or an A1400 or a pinhole camera.  I'm not going to go into all the reasons that's true or ways you could have accomplished it - that's up to you to figure out (hint: the Brenzier method and Harry Potter's invisibility cloak are just two of the many ways).  I'll leave it at that.

[Don Haines]

Nice try, Don...but I'm sure if you just put your mind to it and used your imagination, you could have gotten a great close up shot of the red squirrel with the GoPro or an A1400 or a pinhole camera.  I'm not going to go into all the reasons that's true or ways you could have accomplished it - that's up to you to figure out (hint: the Brenzier method and Harry Potter's invisibility cloak are just two of the many ways).  I'll leave it at that.

and sub-pixel imaging..... that could work....

I'll try again tonight with pictures of Jupiter..... I'll use the 60D with a telescope for the lens and the GoPro again... but to get closer with the GoPro I'll stand on a ladder...... that should work

[neuroanatomist]

I'll try again tonight with pictures of Jupiter..... I'll use the 60D with a telescope for the lens and the GoPro again... but to get closer with the GoPro I'll stand on a ladder...... that should work

Of course it'll work.  If it helps, you can use Eric Carle's Papa, Please Get the Moon for Me as an instruction manual.

[Marsu42]

A great photo can be taken with any camera, but it does not follow that every great photo can be taken with any camera.

Great, I'll certainly quote that when I meet the "a really good photog doesn't need expensive equipment" mob again, some are out to get me because sometimes even I with my midrange 60d+70-300L seem to look like a rich snob :-) ... well, unless you look at my clothes after crawling through the woods for half a day.

[Don Haines]

I'll try again tonight with pictures of Jupiter..... I'll use the 60D with a telescope for the lens and the GoPro again... but to get closer with the GoPro I'll stand on a ladder...... that should work

Of course it'll work.  If it helps, you can use Eric Carle's Papa, Please Get the Moon for Me as an instruction manual.

It's still not working.... these are previous photos of the moon.... one with a 60D, the other with an iPad. What should I be doing to get the iPad photo as good as the 60D photo. Since camera does not matter, I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure it out.... I tried to get closer to the moon, but I can only reach so high...

[Chuck Alaimo]

I'll try again tonight with pictures of Jupiter..... I'll use the 60D with a telescope for the lens and the GoPro again... but to get closer with the GoPro I'll stand on a ladder...... that should work

Of course it'll work.  If it helps, you can use Eric Carle's Papa, Please Get the Moon for Me as an instruction manual.

It's still not working.... these are previous photos of the moon.... one with a 60D, the other with an iPad. What should I be doing to get the iPad photo as good as the 60D photo. Since camera does not matter, I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure it out.... I tried to get closer to the moon, but I can only reach so high...

I see no difference in the 2 images....LOL