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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2013, 03:25:59 PM »
I remember disappointment going from my 20D to a 5D (mkI).  The RAW files needed a fundamentally different approach to get the best out of them.  I suspect it is the same with your 400D / 6D comparison.  As others have said, RAW files need processing, otherwise they will be flat.

I doubt very much that it is a focus problem (unless you have a really sick camera).  The 24/2.8 is not one of Canon's best lenses, but the 100/2 is very good.  So I doubt it is your gear.  Spend a little more time in processing.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2013, 03:25:59 PM »

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2013, 03:51:23 PM »
OTOH if you need to have a wide DOF you don't really have a choice

You do - use focus stacking.

Depends. If you're subject is changing, focus stacking might not give you the result you want (i.e. grass waving in the wind). Sometimes the only way to get the shot is to increase the DOF.

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2013, 03:59:41 PM »
Depends. If you're subject is changing, focus stacking might not give you the result you want (i.e. grass waving in the wind). Sometimes the only way to get the shot is to increase the DOF.

Correct, I just didn't want to elaborate on focus stacking  but just mention that it isn't only good for macro shots but you can do nice 100% dof landscapes with it, too - in many cases when something is in motion you might get lucky and the software will figure it out and still assemble the shot correctly w/o artifacts.

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2013, 04:38:51 PM »
OTOH if you need to have a wide DOF you don't really have a choice

You do - use focus stacking.

Depends. If you're subject is changing, focus stacking might not give you the result you want (i.e. grass waving in the wind). Sometimes the only way to get the shot is to increase the DOF.

ANY image like the one the OP posted should basically be completely in focus regardless of the camera's focusing system when shooting a 24mm lens at f/10. He doesn't even have to have his camera in AF or even look through the viewfinder as long as he's focusing a little beyond the hyperfocal distance. There is nothing significant in the foreground of his shot, so I'm assuming he's focusing somewhere at least beyond 8"- which would give him focus from 3'7" to infinity.

Not sure why focus-and-recomposing as an issue or the 6D's inferior focusing system came into play on this thread, or solutions like focus stacking with a distant landscape shot.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 04:41:22 PM »
^I'm sure that the OP took more photos than just a distant landscape...  ::)

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2013, 05:32:19 PM »
yeah i took lots of different shots, there are 1000 photos!  but alot of them are landscapes, and i was trying to experiment with different settings, wide/small apertures, tripod,mirror up, polarisers,and a nd grad , but im still generally disappointed with the results.  they were quite hard shots, big landscapes, sunny/steamy weather maybe the 24mm lens just wanst up to it, maybe i wasnt up to it , but i expected to get at least get lucky enough a few times! ive used photoshop and raw processers alot before so its not like im forgetting to process, 3 years ago i went to mexico with a 400d and a 50mm 1.8 and i came back with so many sharp good looking pictures, this time around it was a complete failure on my part!!!!  im very confused!

 

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 05:48:20 PM »
maybe i wasnt up to it , but i expected to get at least get lucky enough a few times! this time around it was a complete failure on my part!!!!  im very confused!

I'm also rather new to photography, but in this limitied experience I'd say that "semi spray'n pray", i.e. having some clue but also relying on luck, heavily depends on daily form (I hope I got the correct word, I'm not a native speaker).

On some days, I'm just producing crap shots, no matter how many shots I take. This is indeed confusing but I have learned to recognize this and settle back accordingly. I understand this separates an amateur like me from a pro who can take good shots in any situation no matter what.

Still, you can learn from it - after calming down look through the shots, try to identify what you can recover in post and what you did wrong while shooting, read up on composition and then do better next time w/o relying on lucky shots :-)

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 05:48:20 PM »

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 08:06:26 PM »
heres an example, consider i was using a tripod, i think the picture, though i like th ecomposition , the results form the lens and camera are uninspring,    uneditied raw lightroom jpeg export , f10 iso 100  24mm.

The first thing that I noticed was all the empty space in this photo.  With the 24mm at that distance, the pyramids look rather small, which IMHO is why they look uninspiring.  Did you try the 100mm from that location or get closer to them?

Also, when shooting in the middle of the day, the sun makes your subjects look flat, which is why you don't see much detail.   Shoot earlier in the morning or later in the day, when the sun is lower in the sky, to get better lighting and warmer colors. 
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2013, 01:32:22 PM »
theres lots of space because its a desert! thats what i was trying to get across. i have hundreds of different pyramid photos, but this is sadly one of the more successful captures.

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2013, 07:06:03 PM »
theres lots of space because its a desert! thats what i was trying to get across.

A bit off topic I suppose, but depending on what you plan to do with the output, another thing you might play with is cropping at different aspect ratios to emphasize the horizontal vastness. I kinda like 2.66:1 (cinema) to 3:1 aspect ratios for shots like you posted. Might make for an interesting framed/matted print - or might not be your cup of tea - just tossing out an idea. Below is a cinema (2.66:1) crop.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2013, 08:20:39 PM »
i don't think you've commented on what has been done here by a few members with your shot. are they fairly close to what you were hoping for? when you where getting stuff you liked with your older camera, were you also shooting it in RAW? have you changed your editing since? What about the "picture styles"? you say they looked pretty good on the camera's LCD but then not so much on the old computer? maybe you should shoot RAW + jpg, and see how raw's need some extra love, or just shoot jpg for a bit and see how that goes.

your posted shot certainly isn't lacking from recomposing, AF performance, diffraction limits, depth of field or bad lenses. I don't know the 24mm first hand but at f10 nearly every lens can get it done. i do know the 100mmf2 first hand, and it's very good.

I also wouldn't have guessed you used a CPF for that shot, not that it changes anything.

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2013, 09:09:22 PM »
Just to add for the shot in question - I got a Cokin circular polarizer with a used copy of a 70-200 f/4L IS and after a short time of use, quickly replaced it.  I found it a very inferior filter.  I do have the Cokin P square filters, but only use those in certain situations.

When I went from primarily using a 60D to a 5DII, I was initially disappointed.  I expected to be mesmerized, and I wasn't initially.  FF sensors produce a broader range of color, and your approach to post processing has to be, by nature, somewhat different.  Once I became accustomed to the new workflow, I found that that I didn't enjoy the results from the 60D nearly as much.

That being said, I saw an immediate difference when going from the 5DII to the 6D (which I now own two of).  Better tonal graduation and a much cleaner output.  I love them.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2013, 11:31:33 PM »
i did use a cokin CPL on a lot of these shots including this one.

I see...in that case, a little softness at f/10 (which should be quite sharp, otherwise) doesn't come as a surprise.

yep i think its inferior quality filter that might be the culprit try a high quality hoya or B+W
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2013, 11:31:33 PM »

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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2013, 12:57:01 AM »
theres lots of space because its a desert! thats what i was trying to get across. i have hundreds of different pyramid photos, but this is sadly one of the more successful captures.

There's lots of space not because it's a desert, but rather because of where in the frame you placed the subject.  In fact, the empty sky, not the desert, takes up more than half the frame!  Some quick horizon basics.  Also, there's nothing on the right side of the frame to draw your attention over there, so there's no balance -- it's just wasted space.  Finally, study the Rule of Thirds to get better placement of the subject in the frame.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2013, 02:07:03 AM »
i suppose it is the focus, i only used the centre point and recomposed, but so many the focus is off..

Just to confirm, did you have the AF option set to single-shot? if so, focus and recompose should work fine on that example shot.

If it was set to AiAF or any other mode then the system may be AF-ing on something else as you re-compose.
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Re: dissapointed 6d 100mm f2 and 24mm 2.8 (non l)
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2013, 02:07:03 AM »