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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 09:49:05 AM »
i would love to see a 17-40mm II with better optical performance.
the borders on the curent version suck, to be honest.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2013, 09:57:53 AM »
I would also like to see an updated 17-40/4L (or a 16-35/4L), hopefully with IS, but most imported with high optical quality.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2013, 10:58:46 AM »
I would also like to see an updated 17-40/4L (or a 16-35/4L), hopefully with IS, but most imported with high optical quality.

IS versions usually require a larger filter size (front element), that's supposedly why the 24-70/4 has IS and the 24-70/2.8 hasn't. For the 17-40L with 77mm now this might still work, but for the 82mm 16-35L it could be tricky.

In any case if the corner iq is also improved you'd probably see more weight and certainly a massively "improved" price tag. The question is if the 17-40L mk2 could still be the L budget choice - and if you want heavier and better, you can get the current 16-35L right now.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2013, 11:05:16 AM »
Prepare for 14-24 f2.8 IS guys ;D
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2013, 11:21:02 AM »
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In any case if the corner iq is also improved you'd probably see more weight and certainly a massively "improved" price tag. The question is if the 17-40L mk2 could still be the L budget choice - and if you want heavier and better, you can get the current 16-35L right now.

the 16-35 is sure faster.... optical better... not really.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2013, 03:57:52 PM »
the 16-35 is sure faster.... optical better... not really.


It is if at least some corner sharpness on widest setting & ff is important to you w/o stopping down too much - but certainly not enough for me to pay double the price and carry more weight and bulk...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=412&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2013, 04:43:56 PM »
the 16-35 is sure faster.... optical better... not really.


It is if at least some corner sharpness on widest setting & ff is important to you w/o stopping down too much - but certainly not enough for me to pay double the price and carry more weight and bulk...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=412&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2


well... yes... it depends how do you define better.

both reviews on photozone and digital picture say the 17-40mm and 16-35mm are basically equal, when stopped down.

i had both (kept the 17-40mm).

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2013, 06:06:12 AM »
I would also like to see an updated 17-40/4L (or a 16-35/4L), hopefully with IS, but most imported with high optical quality.


IS versions usually require a larger filter size (front element), that's supposedly why the 24-70/4 has IS and the 24-70/2.8 hasn't. For the 17-40L with 77mm now this might still work, but for the 82mm 16-35L it could be tricky.

In any case if the corner iq is also improved you'd probably see more weight and certainly a massively "improved" price tag. The question is if the 17-40L mk2 could still be the L budget choice - and if you want heavier and better, you can get the current 16-35L right now.


Nikon have a 16-35/4 VR, http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/zoom/widezoom/af-s_nikkor16-35mmf_4d_ed_vr/index.htm, with 77mm filter size. The 16-35/2.8L II that I have seen, have not that good optical quality in the corners.

Canon can keep the current 17-40/4L as a budget lens, and still have a sharp (more expensive) 17-40/4L (or 16-35/4L) as they do with the 70-200/4L and 70-200/4L IS, I think that is exist a demand for both of them...

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2013, 06:39:50 AM »
Canon can keep the current 17-40/4L as a budget lens, and still have a sharp (more expensive) 17-40/4L (or 16-35/4L) as they do with the 70-200/4L and 70-200/4L IS, I think that is exist a demand for both of them...

The reason for the non-IS tele lenses being still produced imho is that for sports IS is useless, esp. when using a monopod - so there's a "legitimate" demand here.

For other, shorter lenses I doubt if Canon would want to expand their lens zoo, they'd rater make a superior version and discontinue the old one - or they could have also kept the much less expensive 24-70/2.8 mk1 when the mk2 was out.

Meaning: I doubt they'd keep two 17-40L around, and more expensive would run into marketing problems, so I doubt they'll discontinue the current 17-40L (thread title), but they'll surely add a premium 14-24L and might even do a 16-35L mk3 with IS sometime if Nikon has it.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2013, 07:36:33 PM »
Hi All,  If you look at all the other Canon "L" products you will notice all the prices are above $1000.00 or more.  The Canon EF 17-40mm f4L is priced at $839.00
Canon may want to make few more American dollars, add IS, and raise the price to $14-1500.00.  My two cents.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2013, 08:54:34 PM »
I seriously doubt it.  It's one of Canon's best selling lenses.

I agree.  It is one of their lower performing L lenses and I imagine it is pretty cheap to make.  If they sell 200,000 a year, they will make a a small killing.  It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2013, 11:13:49 PM »
Hi All,  If you look at all the other Canon "L" products you will notice all the prices are above $1000.00 or more.  The Canon EF 17-40mm f4L is priced at $839.00
The 70-200mm f/4L (non-IS) is even cheaper ($629 at B&H). I believe it is also still selling very well, despite of the existence of the IS version.
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Canon may want to make few more American dollars, add IS, and raise the price to $14-1500.00.  My two cents.
Canon certainly wants to make more dollars, but I don't think they would do that by replacing the 17-40/4L with something much more expensive - rather that'd be likely to benefit Sigma, Tamron & Tokina. If the 17-40 is to be discontinued, I'd expect a substitute without IS and only slightly higher price (under $1000). If they decide to make an IS version, which would be interesting, it's likely to be offered alongside the non-IS version, just like the 70-200 lenses are.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2013, 01:56:09 AM »
Since a year a 17-40 L replacement is out for testing but nothing hit the market until today.

The days of the original 17-40 L are count. But we will see a replacement.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2013, 02:43:59 AM »
Since a year a 17-40 L replacement is out for testing but nothing hit the market until today. The days of the original 17-40 L are count. But we will see a replacement.

Interesting to know (and contradicts my speculation :-p) ... though I'm not unhappy to have gotten the "old" 17-40L with a rebate because the new one will surely be a lot more expensive, and in addition a prototype doesn't mean anything with Canon concerning a timely release.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2013, 03:27:16 AM »
I picked mine up Thursday...love it...

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