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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2013, 05:33:48 AM »
the 17-40mm is 10 years old.. it´s time for an update.

and when we look at the big MP camera that canon will release, better UWW are desperately needed. not everyone will he happy using the 17mm or 24mm TS II lenses.

neither the 17-40mm nor the 16-35mm lenses are good matches for a 35+MP camera
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2013, 05:43:11 AM »
It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.

I don't entirely agree with this, the 17-40's inferior corner performance at wider focal lengths and apertures is fairly well known, so if Canon could improve the performance, I for one would be interested. A possible 14-24 2.8 is of lesser interest to me if it means it does not have a screw on filter thread, as is the 16-35 2.8 as I mainly use the lens stopped down a bit for landscapes. The current 17-40 is a nice lightweight and relatively compact sealed lens, which is good for e.g hiking outdoors and travelling light!
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2013, 05:46:21 AM »

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  It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.

you know nothing jon snow....

I agree.  It is one of their lower performing L lenses and I imagine it is pretty cheap to make.  If they sell 200,000 a year, they will make a a small killing.  It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.

I don't entirely agree with this, the 17-40's inferior corner performance at wider focal lengths and apertures is fairly well known, so if Canon could improve the performance, I for one would be interested. A possible 14-24 2.8 is of lesser interest to me if it means it does not have a screw on filter thread, as is the 16-35 2.8 as I mainly use the lens stopped down a bit for landscapes. The current 17-40 is a nice lightweight and relatively compact sealed lens, which is good for e.g hiking outdoors and travelling light!

i want a better 17-40mm too.
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2013, 06:08:34 AM »
In Europe (Netherlands at least) it's currentlty part of a cash-back rebate action. This would counter the idea of this lens being discontinued.
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2013, 06:15:14 AM »
In Europe (Netherlands at least) it's currentlty part of a cash-back rebate action. This would counter the idea of this lens being discontinued.

they could sell the stock to make room for the new one.
nobody said it will be released this month or the next.

all shops here have plenty of 17-40mm in stock.
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2013, 06:41:32 AM »

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  It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.

you know nothing jon snow....


I hate that line.  I'm reading the books and then watching the show after I'm done with a book and she is the worst character. 

And everyone would want better performance at the same price, but I don't believe someone is looking to have an IS version of the lens for twice the price.  At f/8 it is a nice sharp lens, which is great considering it is more of a landscape lens and you usually use a tripod...

I really should bow out of this conversation... because I dont' care for landscape photography.
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2013, 08:12:32 AM »

Quote from: jdramirez
  It is possible they will update date it, but NO ONE is clamoring for a better performing 17-40.

you know nothing jon snow....


I hate that line.  I'm reading the books and then watching the show after I'm done with a book and she is the worst character. 

actually i liked ygritte in the books.
but not so much on the show.

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And everyone would want better performance at the same price, but I don't believe someone is looking to have an IS version of the lens for twice the price.  At f/8 it is a nice sharp lens, which is great considering it is more of a landscape lens and you usually use a tripod...

i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.

 

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2013, 09:21:04 AM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2013, 10:46:06 AM »
and when we look at the big MP camera that canon will release, better UWW are desperately needed

This is most likely the driving force between lots of lens updates, including the 24-70/2.8 mk2...

In Europe (Netherlands at least) it's currentlty part of a cash-back rebate action. This would counter the idea of this lens being discontinued.

The fact that there is a prototype means nothing - FIRST they have to put it in the production queue to make it mass-produceable, THEN they need to fix a price considering production costs and marketing, THEN they need time to stockpile, THEN you have to wait half a year for the early adopter's release price to drop to a reasonable level.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2013, 07:55:47 AM »
Sometimes I think that a nice and small ~20mm f/4 prime (pancake maybe) would be my perfect UWA lens.
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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2013, 12:28:22 PM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2013, 12:42:48 PM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.


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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2013, 01:16:35 PM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.


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We're at 3 now.   :P

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2013, 01:31:16 PM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.
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We're at 3 now.   :P

-1 ... you're at 2 again :-p because for €1000+ I'd rather buy a f2.8 lens I can also use for non-landscape purposes, or if I have money to burn t/s primes with less distortion and capability for architecture.

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Re: 17-40 f4 L discontinued???????
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2013, 01:43:33 PM »
i agree to that. i don´t need or want an IS version when it increases the price a lot.
but i would pay more for a (noticable) optical better 17-40mm f4.
+1
We're at 3 now.   :P

-1 ... you're at 2 again :-p because for €1000+ I'd rather buy a f2.8 lens I can also use for non-landscape purposes, or if I have money to burn t/s primes with less distortion and capability for architecture.

Heh.  That’s fine, and it’s a fair point, though technically we weren’t looking for the average.  A comment was made that NO ONE was looking for a higher performing 17-40, and several have spoken up that they are.   There are a lot of people out there that make their living shooting a ton of UWA for architectural/real estate work.  It’s rarely shot at large apertures and the number one complaint about the Canon UWA lenses is that they're soft in the corners; something very noticeable in that type of photography.  Although it’d be nice to have a faster lens for other uses, many people wouldn’t want the additional cost, weight, and size that comes with 2.8 and IS that they’ll practically never use professionally.

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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2013, 01:43:33 PM »