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Wrong Photography Ethics?
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:08:04 PM »
I found the sky boring and added clouds to make it more interesting.

Do you think this is cheating? I really want to know.

Am very confused. I have made changes but not altered nature. Have I done something wrong?

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Wrong Photography Ethics?
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:08:04 PM »

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 12:18:49 PM »
I would have kept the trees.  Modifying the image to suit you is fine, but don't enter it into any contests.  Selling it is ok as well, but I'd disclose the modifications.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 12:20:38 PM »
Do what you want but imho I appreciate you sharing that you did 'shop' it instead of trying to pull it off as an in camera sky.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 12:21:15 PM »
I would have kept the trees.  Modifying the image to suit you is fine, but don't enter it into any contests.  Selling it is ok as well, but I'd disclose the modifications.

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Nature image competitions generally allow only cropping and 'global' adjustments (contrast, sharpening, etc.), and nothing 'from the hand of man' (fences, airplane contrails in the sky, etc.).
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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 12:28:03 PM »
I found the sky boring and added clouds to make it more interesting.

Do you think this is cheating? I really want to know.

Am very confused. I have made changes but not altered nature. Have I done something wrong?

Thx

Cheating?  Photography = "painting with light", so IMHO, that's like asking if Picasso cheated because he used 2 different brush types on the same painting.  Compose, create, and modify as much as you like.  However, if you tell someone it's out of camera that way, that would be a lie.  Still not cheating, though.  ;-)

Heck, even "out of camera" can even be a lie these days, with cameras having in-camera HDR and other various effects options.  Does it really matter whether the computer is in the camera itself or on your desktop?

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 12:28:20 PM »
I personally do not mind it. I do mind people who have double standards on it. It is ok for photographer A to remove this and that and "Photoshop" it to death but photographer B cannot do the same just because.

When posting respect the community standards or contest rules.

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 12:30:54 PM »
Once you composite images, Its no longer Photography to me.

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 12:39:46 PM »
Looks great to me.

Personally I wouldn't photoshop to this extent, mostly because I like to push myself to see what I can get in in camera, but I don't think it goes against photography ethics as long as you don't try to hide the fact it's modified to this degree.

There will be many opinions on this but IMO as long as you feel comfortable with it and can stand behind it with integrity then run with it.
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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 12:45:03 PM »
To me it's a matter of viewer/customer expectation: if you present this as photojournalism then it's not OK.  If you present it as advertising for a vacation package, then it might be OK if the clouds are "native."  I.e., if the scene is typical of the area, but you just missed the ideal photo conditions, then it's OK.  If it's "art," i.e., exists purely for the aesthetic value of the image then it's a matter of personal taste.  Some, like thepancakeman, seem to believe that photography is just like painting, but using different brushes, paint and canvas.  Others, like me, think that what makes photography unique is that has an element of "reality" that painting does not have.  To me, a photo is less interesting if it is "less real."  Cut and paste is easy, but being there to capture the real thing is hard.  I generally expect every photo to be essentially real, unless it is obviously not.  "Obvious" here means either declared by the photographer, or obviously manipulated to the point that no reasonable person would mistake it for real.  For example, I assume that a photo of Sasquatch driving a flying saucer is not real.

If you are fooling your viewer then it's cheating, with minor exceptions where fooling was an important message of the photo

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 12:50:03 PM »
Once you composite images, Its no longer Photography to me.

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree.  Most photography has never been about capturing reality--it's always an idealized view of reality to express the perceptions and ideas of the photographer.

Ever use a backdrop?  Maybe a flash?  Even just move to a different camera angle?  That's composing (composite/compose both from the same french root componere) the image, you're just doing it before the fact instead of after.   ;)

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 12:52:07 PM »
Once you composite images, Its no longer Photography to me.

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree.  Most photography has never been about capturing reality--it's always an idealized view of reality to express the perceptions and ideas of the photographer.

Ever use a backdrop?  Maybe a flash?  Even just move to a different camera angle?  That's composing (composite/compose both from the same french root componere) the image, you're just doing it before the fact instead of after.   ;)

All that is done before the shutter is closed, thus is taken as photography.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »
it is your images, you can do whatever you want your eyes are pleased right?  however, as far as i know, these type of images can not be sell to someone such as national geo.

were you using blend if split and layer mask technique to change the sky?  have known this technique for a while but have not had a chance to use it... very nice and clean sky replacement...

+1 to keep those trees.  without them, it is kinda little blank

final answer to your question:  NO  :P
« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 01:12:41 PM by ishdakuteb »

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 01:15:29 PM »
Once you composite images, Its no longer Photography to me.
+1 Bingo...  Edit its ok... composite... well...
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 01:16:13 PM »
For me nature photography is trying to capture(freeze) a (part of a) moment how you would see it, I don't see the need to try and make it 'better' than how it was.

Just keep going there until you make a real picture with those clouds if that is what you like so much, if altering reality (or at least how we perceive it) is something you like, then i would definitely shop some stalking lions in the background to add some drama! , sorry for the poor remark.

nature is artistic enough for itself, rather than craving for more I try to be happy with what it has provided.
I had a picture of a fish eagle landing on a branch, but right behind it there was a car, I would love to see the car removed , and i started doing it.... but in the process i thought why shall i fool myself?, better find a landing fish eagle without a car in the background. If i could have cropped it out i would have , but that is easier to justify for myself as i would say well: This is the shot i would have gotten with a 600mm:P

But to each his own? or how you would say it , if it makes you happy that the trees are gone and there are some nice clouds there, then why not?

If nature doesn't provide the shot that you like, then fabricating it might be good.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 01:21:33 PM by Apop »

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Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 01:29:24 PM »
I hope this was okay I just wanted to see the difference if adjustments were made as suggested.  I only took about 4 or 5 minutes so I just copied the original and tried adding some global adjustments as suggested, just for giggles...

Cooled the sky added some exposure, subtracted some exposure, saturation and sharpening, leveled the horizon... it's not that terrible but is still the original composition... Idk...  Sky may be a little overdone yet but it seems like good suggestions and doesn't feel like cheating as much as correcting...  I hope it was okay to do this, I wasn't trying to offend anyone.  :)
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