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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud - Adobe Owns you!
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »
Adobe and many other companies have to say this in their product agreement for legal purposes but it doesn't mean it'll do that. Can you think about the reason why Adobe may not like you, a customer who pays money buying their products, and terminate your account? It just doesn't make sense. You drive your car and police may give you a ticket if you fail to follow the rules. That's the same here, do you job, have fun editing your images for personal or commercial purposes and everybody would be happy. It reminds me of my neighbors who talk over Skype but are concerned that FBI would listen to their conversations. Come on! 

P.S. I hope I'm not too naive  :D

It happens all the time, not in big numbers of course, but it does happen. Things go wrong and the small guy wont be able to fight it. What happens if your account get's hacked and the hacker does something bad so your account get's blocked? Imagine this happens during a big job and all of a sudden you can't deliver to your client. You might get your account back eventually, but by the time the client might be gone already.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2013, 04:59:37 PM »
It happens all the time, not in big numbers of course, but it does happen. Things go wrong and the small guy wont be able to fight it. What happens if your account get's hacked and the hacker does something bad so your account get's blocked? Imagine this happens during a big job and all of a sudden you can't deliver to your client. You might get your account back eventually, but by the time the client might be gone already.

When you are using CC you are still working with locally installed software, working on local files. In a worst case scenario you would have to create a new CC account and spend $20 for a 1-month Photoshop subscription to be up and running in 5 minutes, or just take your files to a buddy who also uses Photoshop.

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2013, 05:03:18 PM »
Most of the extracts quoted in that article are from the Adobe General Terms of Use (GTU), which have been in place for years and were last updated in 2012. The specific product EULAs for the CC versions of Adobe's products will be posted when they go on sale.

The GTU are tied to the creation of an AdobeID, which is a free email-address-linked account on Adobe's network. Although you need an AdobeID to use Creative Cloud and purchase subscriptions, it also gives access to a bunch of other things unrelated to your purchases (such as the profiles people can create on the Adobe forums, and 2GB of free cloud storage), so many people have an AdobeID without ever buying any software. The GTU therefore also cover the types of files you can post to Adobe's servers and the limits of acceptable behavior within the network. For example it's perfectly sensible to allow action to be taken against someone using the cloud storage service to distribute war3z, someone who creates an account on Behance with the username "DisneyStudios", or a user who stalks someone via the forums. You'll find the same routes to action in the EULAs for any online service, from Gmail to Office 365. The phrase 'may...' does not mean 'will...'

If there are specific things you'd like clarification on, please ask.


oh is adobe now hiring people who do PR on blogs and forums?

i give you a good advice... when your not going to do it... then don´t write it in your EULA.

talk is cheap!! and i don´t believe a single word from a payed salesman.


EULA and user agreements go both ways. With the advent of social media and how pervasive it is most companies are hiring people to explain things that can get blown out of proportion by extracting a few key phrases or clips. The law firm i write patents for has a social media specialist and she is amazing!

Not even worried one bit about Adobe. The social media train goes both ways and I can almost guarantee if they screw someone like this article says they could it would go viral over night, potential hurting their business which is the last thing they want. 

In response to the hacker comment made by Forceflow which is an issue, easy solution, Give every CC member a token or app like google authenticator that has a number (6-8 digit) you have to enter at an interval you feel comfortable. Every time you turn you computer on, once a week, once a month etc. The amount of time it would take to hack or get around something like that would not be worth it to any hacker.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2013, 05:12:42 PM »
Hm. So my copy of CS6 will stay a looong time with me.

And sure this will make me look around for alternatives.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2013, 05:31:57 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud - Adobe Owns you!
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2013, 05:40:23 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Is it really $10? I thought it was only $10 if you already have PS and even then it'll only be for the first 12 months and then it'll be more along the lines of $20.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud - Adobe Owns you!
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2013, 05:51:52 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

Seriously, how often do you open "old PSD"? I considet PSD only as intermediate format. Input (RAW) and output (Tiff) matter.
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2013, 06:03:39 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

Seriously, how often do you open "old PSD"? I considet PSD only as intermediate format. Input (RAW) and output (Tiff) matter.

Quite often...

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud - Adobe Owns you!
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2013, 06:32:26 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

Seriously, how often do you open "old PSD"? I considet PSD only as intermediate format. Input (RAW) and output (Tiff) matter.

Quite often...

So you want to have Photoshop or other tool which is able to open PSD in your workflow anyway, don't you? You generally chose to be fully dependent on this format. Looks like Adobe owns you for a long time ...
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2013, 06:38:12 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

CC, $600/yr
LR/CS new $750-850 with upgrades running I think $80 for LR and $300ish for PS every cycle.

 Either way your paying a "monthly fee". CC is the less painless method for me as it gives me access to more software that I have found use for in my workflow. I can't sing enough praise for how easy a wedding book is made in InDesign. Or having access to Illustrator or Acrobat pro (I LOVE acrobat pro for making custom forms).

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud - Adobe Owns you!
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2013, 06:45:18 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

Seriously, how often do you open "old PSD"? I considet PSD only as intermediate format. Input (RAW) and output (Tiff) matter.

Quite often...

So you want to have Photoshop or other tool which is able to open PSD in your workflow anyway, don't you? You generally chose to be fully dependent on this format. Looks like Adobe owns you for a long time ...

Not really, I still have my CS3. PSD's have advantages no other format provides.

I'll feel no remorse when those CC prices become inflated for you and the many others doing so. Adobe will own your wallet for a long time....

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2013, 07:03:22 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?
I think $10 is too much, but that is only a sucker price.  It automatically doubles after the end of the year.  I paid $199 about every 4 years for the hard copy, and only used Photoshop occasionally.  Its people like me who will go away, because $240 a year (+tax) is too much.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2013, 07:03:22 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2013, 07:06:52 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks $10 a month is a pretty good price for PS?

Sure, If your willing to pay that for the rest of your life or never open your PSD's again.

Seriously, how often do you open "old PSD"? I considet PSD only as intermediate format. Input (RAW) and output (Tiff) matter.

Quite often...

So you want to have Photoshop or other tool which is able to open PSD in your workflow anyway, don't you? You generally chose to be fully dependent on this format. Looks like Adobe owns you for a long time ...

Not really, I still have my CS3. PSD's have advantages no other format provides.

I'll feel no remorse when those CC prices become inflated for you and the many others doing so. Adobe will own your wallet for a long time....

Actually I don't own Photoshop and I haven't subscribed yet. I thought about it last year because the subscription was only affordable option for me but I then found out that I don't need full Photoshop. Lightroom + Photoshop Elements + Nik collection work just fine for me so far. If I need big Photoshop I will just rent it for necessary time, do what I need and probably never open those intermediate PSD files again.

The only thing I dislike a lot about subscription model is different price outside of US.
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2013, 07:23:32 PM »
If anyone is interested, here's what Scott Kelby says about CC

http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-max-conference/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Of course, it's to some extent a biased opinion but anyway...

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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2013, 07:23:32 PM »