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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #75 on: May 25, 2013, 09:07:22 PM »
Heres a test. a stupid one but nevertheless a quick recorded clip.

Shot on a 16gb Sandisk 600x CF

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« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2013, 09:10:05 PM »
It seems like there must be something wrong with my card now. It was brand new Lexar 1000x 32gb. I recorded about 10 1920x1080 raw clips on it with no problem...usually about 3 at a time after which I would delete the files but not reformat or anything. Then it stopped working. Now it will write 116.1mb before the buffer fills. This is regardless of what resolution I try. ML shows a write speed of 6.6mb/s, so something has crippled the card.  Just for the heck of it, I tried one of my older Lexar 400x 16gb cards and ML is able to write to them at 26mb/s no problem, so it's not the camera.

I've tried reformating, aligning partition to 4096, completely overwriting the card. Still, no change from 6.6mb/s. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I'm thinking that it's 3 days old at this point and I should just return it.

The other isolation test (in addition to trying a different card) would be to try that Lexar card with a different camera. But that's probably academic at this point. Bottom line: if it doesn't work... it doesn't work. And if you can solve the problem by getting a different card... save yourself the headache.

I've purchased several cards because it's clear that the size options are a function of the card's performance. I'm returning a KomputerBay 128GB card. I'll find out how the Transcend 128GB works when I get it next week. If the Transcend 128GB doesn't work out, I'll be trying Toshiba 64GB and maybe Transcend 64GB (if I feel like pressing my luck). Considering how much we pay for these things, the ability to return it is part of the cost.

Many of the 128GB cards are much slower than their 64gb counter parts. Why not save yourself some money and go with the 64gb Komputerbay card that are PROVEN to work with the RAW at 1080p.
I've only seen 1 or 2 cases of them not working and it was because of a dead card, not speed
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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2013, 10:40:46 PM »
It seems like there must be something wrong with my card now. It was brand new Lexar 1000x 32gb. I recorded about 10 1920x1080 raw clips on it with no problem...usually about 3 at a time after which I would delete the files but not reformat or anything. Then it stopped working. Now it will write 116.1mb before the buffer fills. This is regardless of what resolution I try. ML shows a write speed of 6.6mb/s, so something has crippled the card.  Just for the heck of it, I tried one of my older Lexar 400x 16gb cards and ML is able to write to them at 26mb/s no problem, so it's not the camera.

I've tried reformating, aligning partition to 4096, completely overwriting the card. Still, no change from 6.6mb/s. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I'm thinking that it's 3 days old at this point and I should just return it.

The other isolation test (in addition to trying a different card) would be to try that Lexar card with a different camera. But that's probably academic at this point. Bottom line: if it doesn't work... it doesn't work. And if you can solve the problem by getting a different card... save yourself the headache.

I've purchased several cards because it's clear that the size options are a function of the card's performance. I'm returning a KomputerBay 128GB card. I'll find out how the Transcend 128GB works when I get it next week. If the Transcend 128GB doesn't work out, I'll be trying Toshiba 64GB and maybe Transcend 64GB (if I feel like pressing my luck). Considering how much we pay for these things, the ability to return it is part of the cost.

I'd try sticking to 64GB (or 32GB) since all the almost all of the 128GB seem to run a touch slower (and some such as the Komputer Bay vastly slower).

Also I'd avoid KomputerBay at any size since I'm reading so many reports about cards failing after two weeks and talk that they use Lexar parts that got rejected.

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« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2013, 11:32:56 PM »
That's what I'm seeing too, that the 32GB and 64GB are the fastest. Personally, I will be avoiding KomputerBay until the dust settles. I bought a KomputerBay 128GB and it clocked around 72MB/s. I don't see any risk in ordering a KomputerBay 64GB, but be ready to return it. I've got a Transcend 128GB on order (from weeks ago, before I knew they were unreliable), but I'll be ready to ship it back same day I get it.

The known solid candidates are Toshiba, Hoodman, Lexar, and Transcend. I've got a Lexar 32GB and a Hoodman 64GB and both are solid.
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« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2013, 11:40:59 PM »
One of the conversations on the ML forum they mentioned that the 128GB UDMA 7 cards were slower than the 64 GB UDMA 7 cards and they ended up dropping frames. I think they were talking about Lexar. So they were shooting on the 64GB cards...

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« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2013, 12:20:39 AM »
That's what I'm seeing too, that the 32GB and 64GB are the fastest. Personally, I will be avoiding KomputerBay until the dust settles. I bought a KomputerBay 128GB and it clocked around 72MB/s. I don't see any risk in ordering a KomputerBay 64GB, but be ready to return it. I've got a Transcend 128GB on order (from weeks ago, before I knew they were unreliable), but I'll be ready to ship it back same day I get it.

The other known solid candidates are Toshiba, Hoodman, Lexar, and Transcend. I've got a Lexar 32GB and a Hoodman 64GB and they are both solid.

I have three 1000x 32GB Lexar that run fine. And a Hoodman 64GB that was supposed to arrive today but got held up.

The Toshiba don't seem to have arrived for direct sale in the U.S. yet, supposedly they are the fastest of all and perhaps might be able to do 1920x1080p30 (the Lexar max out at 1920x1080p24).

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« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2013, 07:26:23 PM »
I finally pried the 5D Mark III out of my wife's hands long enough to play around with raw video.

I threw together a quick resolution chart comparison. There is a link on this Video's description to a similar test shot with my Blackmagic Cinema Camera, for anyone interested.

5D Mark III Resolution: Canon Firmware vs. Magic Lantern Raw on Vimeo

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« Reply #82 on: May 28, 2013, 12:26:44 PM »
I finally pried the 5D Mark III out of my wife's hands long enough to play around with raw video.

I threw together a quick resolution chart comparison. There is a link on this Video's description to a similar test shot with my Blackmagic Cinema Camera, for anyone interested.

5D Mark III Resolution: Canon Firmware vs. Magic Lantern Raw on Vimeo

Nice Jason, I didn't even need to shoot charts to be able to tell the difference is night and day, but the most exciting moment was when I pulled down the highlights to reveal a perfectly blue sky, man raw is awesome.  But man I saw the resolution tests on the BMCC and it looks like that thing has pretty bad moire!  But some of the color coming out of that thing is astoundingly beautiful, not sure if you've seen "Meet Me At Big Sur" but I was super impressed with it.  Can't wait for the Production Cam in July!
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« Reply #83 on: May 28, 2013, 02:37:46 PM »
Nice Jason, I didn't even need to shoot charts to be able to tell the difference is night and day, but the most exciting moment was when I pulled down the highlights to reveal a perfectly blue sky, man raw is awesome.  But man I saw the resolution tests on the BMCC and it looks like that thing has pretty bad moire!  But some of the color coming out of that thing is astoundingly beautiful, not sure if you've seen "Meet Me At Big Sur" but I was super impressed with it.  Can't wait for the Production Cam in July!

Axilrod - Thanks. I agree - it was clear that the raw was a significant step up compared to the Canon firmware compressed output. The dynamic range is a beautiful thing. Once you shoot raw, you won't want to go back. Having said that, I'm very happy with the Film Log compressed footage out of the BMCC. The BMCC seemed to me to show moire in a lot that I saw. The resolution chart reflects that, too.

As you suggest, the proof is in the real life shooting, not just the charts. However, the resolution charts are the only way that I know of to hold the conditions equal to see a bit more clearly as to what is going on and, perhaps, how to address certain issues. The BMCC tests, for example, led me to use a color blur or NR on the chroma channel only as a regular part of my post workflow. This helps to make the BMCC footage quite silky - and make the most of both its color and resolution. I do hope someone makes a OLPF for it, though.

For the 5D raw, the moire/aliasing just isn't there in the first place. There is a bit of something weird going on at the highest frequencies, as seen at the bottom of the vertical lines at 900-1000 lines. My guess is that it the frequency hitting the bayer pattern just right. The problem is that it shows up at 100%, too. But, I haven't seen it much in the real world footage, so I'm not going to sweat it. The 5D resolution isn't quite as good as the BMCC appears to be. But, it is great and has me rethinking my pre-order of the BM Pocket camera.

If experience is any guide, you'll be waiting longer than July. It will be a painful wait. But, once you get it, you won't remember that pain at all!I look forward to seeing what you shoot with it.

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« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2013, 04:23:41 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

I’m editing together another video right now from a rock climbing trip in Idaho, will post here when I’m done!  Here’s the one I made at Smith Rock a weekend ago:

https://vimeo.com/66866250

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« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2013, 05:01:12 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay 128GB advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920x720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.
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« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2013, 05:07:23 PM »
Anyone have any recommendations for super fast SD cards for my 600D/T3i? I can't seem to get more than 20 MB/s writes with a Sandisk Extreme or Lexar 600x 32GB. Obviously, those rates don't get me very much raw out of the 600D/T3i.

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« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2013, 05:25:56 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video!  lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

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« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2013, 05:48:33 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video!  lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

I thought you could get a bit less than 15 min on a 64GB card....?

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« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2013, 06:02:37 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video!  lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

I thought you could get a bit less than 15 min on a 64GB card....?

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I just did the math and I guess it's closer to 12 minutes(?), I guess I was just shooting from the hip.  It's so involved to get video out of this that by the time I have editable video, I'm not longer concerned with how much I get out of it!  I also usually shoot stills at the same time.  I'm a stills photographer, I'm not at at all a videographer, I'm just someone that's curious about new things to tinker with, so my estimates are definitely off!

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