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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2013, 07:29:07 PM »
Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.


It was on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140878263839&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160

The key is always to buy from someone that allows returns, even if you've opened and used it. B&H and Amazon would be my first choice. But lots of ebay sellers (some of which are big companies) have good return policies.

I'm cool with having to buy small, high-priced cards. For me, the time involved in the post-processing workflow is where I'm looking for alternatives/improvements. In time, there will surely be a one-shot tool that will convert RAW to a single edit-ready file. It will be a great day when that comes out. :-)

I'm also coming from the stills arena. But this RAW video is amazing. I'm hooked. Game over. I even sold my fanciest stills lens to make room for more video gear.
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« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2013, 07:29:07 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: May 30, 2013, 12:35:39 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

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« Reply #92 on: May 30, 2013, 01:41:49 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

Very nice! The picture quality is amazing. Resolution, dynamic range,... everything!

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« Reply #93 on: May 30, 2013, 02:29:00 PM »
is this working on the 5d mark ll?

thanks

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« Reply #94 on: May 30, 2013, 03:39:21 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

You've got some nice crispy footage in there!

I'm curious how you got the timelapse. What's the best way around the 4GB limit? I'm using an older build, has that been fixed? I've also had trouble using raw2dng.app to convert files over 4GB.

Did you drag each clip, one at a time, into raw2dng? Or do you have a batch process?

Any time-saving tricks you've found would be great to hear about.
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« Reply #95 on: May 30, 2013, 03:43:39 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.
Image quality is just soo damn good! Shot at 2:49 just show how sharp it can be.

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« Reply #96 on: May 30, 2013, 04:07:52 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

You've got some nice crispy footage in there! I'm curious how you got the time-lapse. What's the best way around the 4GB limit? I'm using an older build, has that been fixed? I've also had trouble using raw2dng.app to convert files over 4GB.

Did you drag each clip, one at a time, into raw2dng? Or do you have a batch process?

Any time saving tricks you've found would be great to hear about.

Thanks dirtcastle!  I forced myself to use a tripod more this time, for MAXIMUM crisp.

I think my workflow is earlier in this thread but, it's probably not the best way to do it...just how I do it coming from a stills background because it's WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

I'm still running an older build of Magic Lantern, I'm limited to 4GB clips, I'm pretty sure that has been fixed but I haven't got around to updating.  Also, I'm not very good at video and the longer my takes are the longer they seem to suck!  So the artificial limitation is kind of beneficial at the moment.

Timelapse: nothing fancy about this, didn't even use the ML firmware.  THis is just a bunch of 22MP still shots overnight using the over-priced Canon intervolometer.

The newest raw2dng has tons of fixes, you can pretty much throw anything at it.  It is MUCH IMPROVED.  I actually *have* updated this, this was usually the most headache-prone part of my workflow.  Now I just drag an entire folder in there and it cranks them all out while I go drink a beer/coffee!

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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #97 on: May 30, 2013, 04:19:19 PM »
Newer builds can shoot more than 4gb clips now.
for cards formatted in camera(file size limit of 4gb for those cards), it will automatically split the clip at 4gb
for cards formatted with EXT(probably completely wrong about the format name), it can record a single clip as big as your card

the newest builds of raw2dng can extract both.
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« Reply #98 on: May 30, 2013, 04:44:19 PM »
Newer builds can shoot more than 4gb clips now.
for cards formatted in camera(file size limit of 4gb for those cards), it will automatically split the clip at 4gb
for cards formatted with EXT(probably completely wrong about the format name), it can record a single clip as big as your card

the newest builds of raw2dng can extract both.

Are you referring to exFAT? I didn't realize the 5d3 supported exFAT.
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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #99 on: May 30, 2013, 06:15:42 PM »
Newer builds can shoot more than 4gb clips now.
for cards formatted in camera(file size limit of 4gb for those cards), it will automatically split the clip at 4gb
for cards formatted with EXT(probably completely wrong about the format name), it can record a single clip as big as your card

the newest builds of raw2dng can extract both.

Are you referring to exFAT? I didn't realize the 5d3 supported exFAT.

The 5D3 does (although it won't format to that in cam). You need to format the cards on your computer to exFAT and then, with the later versions of ML, you can record over 4GB.

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« Reply #100 on: May 30, 2013, 06:20:58 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video!  lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

So far:

BAD:
 Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UDMA6 32GB are no good.
 Komputerbay 1000x 128GB UDMA7 150MB/s are no good.
 Basically forget anything rated less than 1000x or without UDMA7 and even at UDMA7 and 1000x, the 128GB     cards are more likely to be suspect as are less than ultra-premium brands  it seems.

GOOD:
 Lexar 1000x 32GB work
 Hoodman Steel 1000x 64GB work

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« Reply #101 on: May 30, 2013, 06:48:50 PM »
For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH.  It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards.  Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed.  (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine.  I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues.  The 64GB card is the one to get right now.  If you need more space just get a couple.  If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks!  What site was it?  Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate!  I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video!  lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

So far:

BAD:
 Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UDMA6 32GB are no good.
 Komputerbay 1000x 128GB UDMA7 90MB/s are no good.
 Basically forget anything rated less than 1000x or without UDMA7 and even at UDMA7 and 1000x, the 128GB     cards are more likely to be suspect as are less than ultra-premium brands  it seems.

GOOD:
 Lexar 1000x 32GB work
 Hoodman Steel 1000x 64GB work

Komputerbay 64GB 1000X's are working great as well!  They are what the guy at EOSHD has been has been shooting with and I've shot almost 300GB of footage with mine so far with zero dropped frames or issues!  The Lexars are Hoodmans are soooo overpriced, I probably would've never started shooting RAW video if those were the only game in town :(

The cards I usually shoot with (before I got into raw video) are the Transcend 400X's...they are awesome cards...I wish their 128GB 1000X cards were cheaper, they look awesome (rated at 120GB/s WRITE speed! Even if they can't hit that number it still should be more than enough for 1080p @ 24fps RAW)

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Re: Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3
« Reply #102 on: May 30, 2013, 06:51:20 PM »
Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

Very nice! The picture quality is amazing. Resolution, dynamic range,... everything!

Thanks! It's exactly the same as stills IQ which...compared to all the trashy video codecs...is OUTSTANDING by comparison.  I don't even waste time shooting comparison footage anymore, if you can't see the difference you need to visit your optometrist!

My HDD backups are hurting though :-/

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« Reply #102 on: May 30, 2013, 06:51:20 PM »

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« Reply #103 on: May 30, 2013, 07:22:04 PM »
Does anyone know if the ML's ISO improvement in recording is carried through to the same degree of improvement in RAW still images?

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« Reply #104 on: May 30, 2013, 07:42:44 PM »
Does anyone know if the ML's ISO improvement in recording is carried through to the same degree of improvement in RAW still images?

Not at all. It is not magic. All does is get around the step where something nasty gets done to the video and lets you get RAW for video while before you could only get RAW for stills. It can't make the sensor any better than it is and for stills Canon already let you access RAW and they were already getting the best possible from RAW.
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