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5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« on: May 13, 2013, 08:11:00 AM »

From Magic Lantern

Magic Lantern has unlocked RAW video recording in the Canon EOS 5D Mark III. From early reports the quality of the video files is pretty amazing and might be better than the C300 and definitely better than the BlackMagic Cinema Camera.


You can read about the workflow, see sample videos and more at EOSHD.


Read Mor at EOSHD | EOS 5D Mark III at B&H Photo


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5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« on: May 13, 2013, 08:11:00 AM »

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 08:20:37 AM »
Ahhhh....The embarrassment.....for Canon....
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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 08:22:05 AM »
In other news, canon discontinues the Cinema EOS line, 5d3 sold out everywhere...
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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 08:29:06 AM »
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh panic! get me a 5dIII, now! :D

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 08:43:31 AM »
Definitely a potential game changer for some narrative work, and people doing really short clips. But anyone doing event work (weddings, etc) wouldnt really be able to use it. I remember how mad people were at the 4GB limit (which meant 12mins or so); no way they'd settle for 700 frames.

But, since I'm one of the people who records short clips, I'd love this capability in my 60D, even if its for 10-15s

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 08:45:58 AM »
As the linked article says, the world just turned on its head. To have a 5D3 outdo the much more expensive C300 is insane. I still can't wrap my head around it. I was planning to buy a C100, but this has changed everything.

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 08:57:27 AM »
The 1Dc is basicaly a 1Dx with other Software and a bigger heat sink.
I'm not sure if it is the same problem here but I'd be carefull not to damage my 5D due to more heat from the raw output.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 08:57:27 AM »

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 09:03:06 AM »
Definitely a potential game changer for some narrative work, and people doing really short clips. But anyone doing event work (weddings, etc) wouldnt really be able to use it. I remember how mad people were at the 4GB limit (which meant 12mins or so); no way they'd settle for 700 frames.

But, since I'm one of the people who records short clips, I'd love this capability in my 60D, even if its for 10-15s

The thing to remember is this is still in early stages.

They are already working on continuous shooting.
The other issue there is the size and costs of the 1000x and 1066x cards.
I wonder if or when they get the HDMI out working as well, you could hook it up to an Ninja 2 and basically have no need for space or card issues?

The 1Dc is basicaly a 1Dx with other Software and a bigger heat sink.
I'm not sure if it is the same problem here but I'd be carefull not to damage my 5D due to more heat from the raw output.
They are claiming that heat is not really an issue, in reality the 1DX "should" be hackable and not have the heat issues too.
The thing stopping them there is Canons legal team.

I wonder how long it will take before Canon come down on ML for releasing this.
It could put a large dent in C100/C300 sales.

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 09:17:11 AM »
I think a raw shooting DSLR is a very different beast to the C100 / C300, and to be honest I don't think many pros will be making the switch.

I wouldn't yet turn up to a pressured commercial shoot with a hack and raw though - asking for problems.

At the moment raw isn't practical for most projects where practicality / routine reliability comes ahead of image quality / art. The C100 is a very different camera to the 5D Mark III ergonomically and that more so than image quality is why pros love it so much. The broadcast ready codec on the C300 is also a big thing and raw is not a broadcast acquisition format because you cannot edit it fast or just drop it into the BBCs news workflow! The amount of data it generates is phenomenal.

I think the Blackmagic Cinema Camera now has a stern rival, but the Cinema EOS stuff plays in a different part of the park.

I won't be shooting my own short film / music videos on C300 now I have this on the 5D Mark III though. I am an image quality junkie and that matters more to me than the practicalities of getting it working smoothly, and delivering a quick commercial project.

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 09:19:16 AM »
I like the on-screen message (at 0:48 in the movie): "your camera will explode"
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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 09:29:39 AM »
Great news ! ... my 5DIII has an even longer, and more productive future!

aside ... why doesn't Canon hire these guys (ML), and blow every other brand out of the water?

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 10:00:24 AM »
This is all beautiful, and I'm very happy for 5DMarkIII owners, but... what about Canon 1Dx ???
Double with price, and still with no Canon or ML firmware to some major upgrade in video for our expensive camera!?
Now, 5DMarkIII will have better video capabilities, better picture in video, raw video recording... and 1Dx - NO !
Great, just great... that's why 1Dx cost more than 2 x 5DMarkIII so we could have less quality for double the price.
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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 10:09:46 AM »
and might be better than the C300 and definitely better than the BlackMagic Cinema Camera.

The BMCC still has more than a stop better DR (than the 5D3), and as of now, more resolution for continuous shooting. And while the c300 is a much easier camera to use, BMCC's best image blows the c300 out of the water.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 10:26:49 AM »
The ML guys have their resolution selection interface wrong.

It should be something like "16:9 (1920x1080)", "2.35:1 (1920x816)", etc.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 10:43:08 AM »

They are claiming that heat is not really an issue, in reality the 1DX "should" be hackable and not have the heat issues too.
The thing stopping them there is Canons legal team.

I wonder how long it will take before Canon come down on ML for releasing this.
It could put a large dent in C100/C300 sales.

Well, if ML is doing a clean room reverse engineer of the camera, that should be perfectly legal. He isn't doing anything that helps 'circumvent' safe guards....like people have come down on gaming mods for. This hack doesn't allow you to circumvent copyrighted material.

One is allowed to do what they wish with hardware they purchase (at least still for now, although the corps are trying more and more to infringe on that)....so, this should be perfectly legal.

However, Canon can still throw legal threats around if they wish, whether they have merit or not. These days, it doesn't matter if you have a legal case or not...it is deep pockets that often win.

However, if Canon were to do this, the "Streisand Effect" might take place, especially if he's released the code open source and other people take the code and join in the efforts. Canon might get more spread and publicity of this type code rather than stiffling it.

But generally, if you're doing a clean room reverse engineer on hardware you bought and own, with no NDA's signed, etc...you should be perfectly legal.

If Canon legal comes knocking on ML's front door, I'd say first thing he might do, is contact the EFF and try to get them on his side with their legal help/advice.

My $0.02,

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Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 10:43:08 AM »