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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2013, 09:41:20 AM »
The best fisheye available for Canon (and any system) is the new ef 8-15mm f4 L fisheye. It's the best of the bunch by a long way. It combines full circular 8mm through to 16mm and every point inbetween and some fun zoom bursts too. In my opinion, save and buy the best and let it be the last fisheye you ever buy.
The best fisheye for you....is dependent on your budget and is a personal choice.

Well that is a purely personal opinion, after all I use my fisheye more than most and I have no desire for the 8-15. I don't want the gimmick circular image with horrific CA once, let alone pay for it and carry it always.

As for IQ at 15mm, my Canon prime is very high quality (my testing showed it outperformed two different Canon 14mm lenses even when defished) and all aberrations are easily corrected; and it shoots at f2.8 for half the money and less weight than the zoom f4. Just because it doesn't have a red ring does not mean it isn't the best tool for the job. The 85 f1.8 is another very good example.

For me the zoom is a curiosity that I have no intention of buying, it has no additional functionality for my picture taking than the prime does and is not worth the addition cost.
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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2013, 10:09:08 AM »
The best fisheye available for Canon (and any system) is the new ef 8-15mm f4 L fisheye. It's the best of the bunch by a long way. It combines full circular 8mm through to 16mm and every point inbetween and some fun zoom bursts too. In my opinion, save and buy the best and let it be the last fisheye you ever buy.
The best fisheye for you....is dependent on your budget and is a personal choice.

Well that is a purely personal opinion, after all I use my fisheye more than most and I have no desire for the 8-15. I don't want the gimmick circular image with horrific CA once, let alone pay for it and carry it always.

As for IQ at 15mm, my Canon prime is very high quality (my testing showed it outperformed two different Canon 14mm lenses even when defished) and all aberrations are easily corrected; and it shoots at f2.8 for half the money and less weight than the zoom f4. Just because it doesn't have a red ring does not mean it isn't the best tool for the job. The 85 f1.8 is another very good example.

For me the zoom is a curiosity that I have no intention of buying, it has no additional functionality for my picture taking than the prime does and is not worth the addition cost.

As I said, functionally the zoom has no equal and is the best fisheye currently available, fact end of...no more discussion. All other choices are personal based on shooting requirements and what you are already using.
I'm suprised to hear you say that an 8mm fish is a gimmic, after all we are talking about fisheye lenses here....they are all low use one trick pony type of lenses....although the zoom is a little more functional. But they are all gimmic lenses.

I've tried most fisheyes on the market and sold many. An 8mm circular fish can be a lot of fun and to disregard it's photographic possibilities is a little narrow minded in my opinion. To say that there's lots of CA makes me wonder if you've even used one. The two copies of the  Sigma 15mm fish I've owned had slightly better optics to the old Canon 15mm fish I had. But the newer f4 Canon Zoom has less than either of them, it's still got a tad of CA but it's a lot lower than the primes. Oh and by the way, it's weather sealed...another common L feature which often gets over looked.

The 85mm f1.8 is a fantastic lens. But I sold my copy for an 85mm f1.2 L with offered me even more creativity and light gathering ability than the f1.8 version. I chose it for that reason and not for it's red ring. Although some people seem to have an Anti-L thang going on....generally the L lenses are a bit better in most areas (build, AF speed, weather sealing, robustness and often in IQ). But for a lot of photographers (non pro) they don't need those extra features or cost. I see so many 70-200/f2.8's about these days where the photographer looks like they have only handled a camera for a few weeks....poor shooting technique and awful posture and hand position. Holding their camera and not the lens like someone holding a pint of Guiness...oh boy!
 

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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2013, 10:54:02 AM »
The two copies of the  Sigma 15mm fish I've owned had slightly better optics to the old Canon 15mm fish I had.

I have exactly the opposite experience. Side by side, the Canon was noticeably better than the Sigma. Equal in  the center, and much better in the corners. Better color. I am not so sensitive to corner performance usually but with fisheye lenses, it matters. This is based on two Canon copies and one Sigma one. The poor corner resolution of the Sigma is well documented.

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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2013, 12:23:23 PM »
The best fisheye available for Canon (and any system) is the new ef 8-15mm f4 L fisheye. It's the best of the bunch by a long way. It combines full circular 8mm through to 16mm and every point inbetween and some fun zoom bursts too. In my opinion, save and buy the best and let it be the last fisheye you ever buy.
The best fisheye for you....is dependent on your budget and is a personal choice.


Well that is a purely personal opinion, after all I use my fisheye more than most and I have no desire for the 8-15. I don't want the gimmick circular image with horrific CA once, let alone pay for it and carry it always.

As for IQ at 15mm, my Canon prime is very high quality (my testing showed it outperformed two different Canon 14mm lenses even when defished) and all aberrations are easily corrected; and it shoots at f2.8 for half the money and less weight than the zoom f4. Just because it doesn't have a red ring does not mean it isn't the best tool for the job. The 85 f1.8 is another very good example.

For me the zoom is a curiosity that I have no intention of buying, it has no additional functionality for my picture taking than the prime does and is not worth the addition cost.


As I said, functionally the zoom has no equal and is the best fisheye currently available, fact end of...no more discussion. All other choices are personal based on shooting requirements and what you are already using.
I'm suprised to hear you say that an 8mm fish is a gimmic, after all we are talking about fisheye lenses here....they are all low use one trick pony type of lenses....although the zoom is a little more functional. But they are all gimmic lenses.

I've tried most fisheyes on the market and sold many. An 8mm circular fish can be a lot of fun and to disregard it's photographic possibilities is a little narrow minded in my opinion. To say that there's lots of CA makes me wonder if you've even used one. The two copies of the  Sigma 15mm fish I've owned had slightly better optics to the old Canon 15mm fish I had. But the newer f4 Canon Zoom has less than either of them, it's still got a tad of CA but it's a lot lower than the primes. Oh and by the way, it's weather sealed...another common L feature which often gets over looked.

The 85mm f1.8 is a fantastic lens. But I sold my copy for an 85mm f1.2 L with offered me even more creativity and light gathering ability than the f1.8 version. I chose it for that reason and not for it's red ring. Although some people seem to have an Anti-L thang going on....generally the L lenses are a bit better in most areas (build, AF speed, weather sealing, robustness and often in IQ). But for a lot of photographers (non pro) they don't need those extra features or cost. I see so many 70-200/f2.8's about these days where the photographer looks like they have only handled a camera for a few weeks....poor shooting technique and awful posture and hand position. Holding their camera and not the lens like someone holding a pint of Guiness...oh boy!
 


Well it might have more functionality than any other fisheye "fact end of......", but if you have no use for that functionality it is worse than useless. If I was still shooting APS-H it would be good, if you have ff and crop cameras it is a no brainer too, but I don't, I am FF only which means I get a 15mm full frame fisheye and an 8mm circular fisheye. I hate the circular fisheye look and have no interest in it, as for CA I meant on the edge of the frame, not across it, look at the edges of nearly every single circular image here http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/lenses/canon_ef8-15f4l.html If I wanted to take pictures of rainbows I would be a landscape shooter!

Obviously if somebody wants a full frame fisheye and a circular one, one lens that does both makes sense, similarly if they have mixed sensor sizes the zoom makes sense, if, like me, you just have full frame sensors and are only interested in the full frame fisheye framing then the zoom is not the best buy, the 15mm Canon is, fact end of...no more discussion.

As for the 85, sure the 1.2 is a "better" portrait lens, but try shooting badly illuminated gym basketball in AF with one, in that instance the 1.8 wipes the floor with the 1.2.

As for the full frame fisheye being a one trick pony, well you obviously see a smaller envelope than me. Here is a shot from a Canon 15mm fisheye that you would have missed living in your smaller gimmick lens meme, I didn't, I saw outside it. A full frame fisheye can be used in all sorts of situations and I have found it to be very flexible, unlike a circular fisheye which really does give you one, very compromised, image.
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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2013, 06:28:37 PM »
The best fisheye available for Canon (and any system) is the new ef 8-15mm f4 L fisheye. It's the best of the bunch by a long way. It combines full circular 8mm through to 16mm and every point inbetween and some fun zoom bursts too. In my opinion, save and buy the best and let it be the last fisheye you ever buy.
The best fisheye for you....is dependent on your budget and is a personal choice.


Well that is a purely personal opinion, after all I use my fisheye more than most and I have no desire for the 8-15. I don't want the gimmick circular image with horrific CA once, let alone pay for it and carry it always.

As for IQ at 15mm, my Canon prime is very high quality (my testing showed it outperformed two different Canon 14mm lenses even when defished) and all aberrations are easily corrected; and it shoots at f2.8 for half the money and less weight than the zoom f4. Just because it doesn't have a red ring does not mean it isn't the best tool for the job. The 85 f1.8 is another very good example.

For me the zoom is a curiosity that I have no intention of buying, it has no additional functionality for my picture taking than the prime does and is not worth the addition cost.


As I said, functionally the zoom has no equal and is the best fisheye currently available, fact end of...no more discussion. All other choices are personal based on shooting requirements and what you are already using.
I'm suprised to hear you say that an 8mm fish is a gimmic, after all we are talking about fisheye lenses here....they are all low use one trick pony type of lenses....although the zoom is a little more functional. But they are all gimmic lenses.

I've tried most fisheyes on the market and sold many. An 8mm circular fish can be a lot of fun and to disregard it's photographic possibilities is a little narrow minded in my opinion. To say that there's lots of CA makes me wonder if you've even used one. The two copies of the  Sigma 15mm fish I've owned had slightly better optics to the old Canon 15mm fish I had. But the newer f4 Canon Zoom has less than either of them, it's still got a tad of CA but it's a lot lower than the primes. Oh and by the way, it's weather sealed...another common L feature which often gets over looked.

The 85mm f1.8 is a fantastic lens. But I sold my copy for an 85mm f1.2 L with offered me even more creativity and light gathering ability than the f1.8 version. I chose it for that reason and not for it's red ring. Although some people seem to have an Anti-L thang going on....generally the L lenses are a bit better in most areas (build, AF speed, weather sealing, robustness and often in IQ). But for a lot of photographers (non pro) they don't need those extra features or cost. I see so many 70-200/f2.8's about these days where the photographer looks like they have only handled a camera for a few weeks....poor shooting technique and awful posture and hand position. Holding their camera and not the lens like someone holding a pint of Guiness...oh boy!
 


Well it might have more functionality than any other fisheye "fact end of......", but if you have no use for that functionality it is worse than useless. If I was still shooting APS-H it would be good, if you have ff and crop cameras it is a no brainer too, but I don't, I am FF only which means I get a 15mm full frame fisheye and an 8mm circular fisheye. I hate the circular fisheye look and have no interest in it, as for CA I meant on the edge of the frame, not across it, look at the edges of nearly every single circular image here http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/lenses/canon_ef8-15f4l.html If I wanted to take pictures of rainbows I would be a landscape shooter!

Obviously if somebody wants a full frame fisheye and a circular one, one lens that does both makes sense, similarly if they have mixed sensor sizes the zoom makes sense, if, like me, you just have full frame sensors and are only interested in the full frame fisheye framing then the zoom is not the best buy, the 15mm Canon is, fact end of...no more discussion.

As for the 85, sure the 1.2 is a "better" portrait lens, but try shooting badly illuminated gym basketball in AF with one, in that instance the 1.8 wipes the floor with the 1.2.

As for the full frame fisheye being a one trick pony, well you obviously see a smaller envelope than me. Here is a shot from a Canon 15mm fisheye that you would have missed living in your smaller gimmick lens meme, I didn't, I saw outside it. A full frame fisheye can be used in all sorts of situations and I have found it to be very flexible, unlike a circular fisheye which really does give you one, very compromised, image.


So let me get this straight..you are judging a fisheye's quality but how it can be de-fished???
There are far better ways of getting rectilinear corrected wide images. A TS-e 17L or a Siggi 12-24mm come to mind. Even a 16-35IIL covers a more versatile view of the world.
Currently, the only Canon fisheye on sale is the zoom. The prime was discontinued shortly before it's release. So unless one buys one second hand, they are no longer available.

You are welcome to view my portfolio and maybe then you can decide if I have a narrow envelope in photography. PS, I've been a full frame photographer for the last 10 years and I was a film photographer a long time before that.
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As to the 85L being used for sports....well that's just silly, there are loads of other lenses far better suited to that role...like a 135L. Einstein said "don't just a fish by it's ability to climb a tree". The same is true of the 85L, what it does in the right hands is exceptional.

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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2013, 12:13:37 AM »
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"So let me get this straight..you are judging a fisheye's quality but how it can be de-fished???"
No, of course not. You are the one who said the full frame fisheye is a "low use one trick pony type of lens" I was just illustrating that it isn't, however the circular fisheye is. I was responding to your strawman and you then tried to turn that around to belittle my input.  ::)

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"Currently, the only Canon fisheye on sale is the zoom. The prime was discontinued shortly before it's release. So unless one buys one second hand, they are no longer available."

Actually the prime was available for a while after the zooms release, but did you read the OP's actual question? He stated this "The canon 8-15 is out of the range of what I want to spend. I was thinking on a second [hand] canon 15 2.8 or a sigma." Clearly you didn't.

With regards your Flicker feed and websites, I have nothing polite or pertinent to say.

As for the 85mm comment, again you are throwing up a strawman argument and you compound your error as you have obviously never shot high school basketball, if you had you would know the 85 f1.8 is practically de rigueur, my original comment was just that the biggest and highest spec lens is not necessarily the most appropriate for a specific task, something that would have been patently obvious had you tried to shoot that high school basketball with your 85 f1.2. Many people consider it to be the best lens available for the task, there certainly are not "loads of other lenses far better suited to that role".

Clearly, had you read the OP's opening comment, you would have realised your strong opinion about the 8-15 zoom is a nonstarter. Too much money and unrequested functionality, apart form those two fundamental criteria I think you nailed it. DOH!
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Re: Best fisheye for canon.
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