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Re: A Breakdown of Rumors
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2011, 10:43:01 AM »
Personally, I don't find it interesting to have a small body with big lenses.





it really does not look comfortable :P i would also prefer a 'normal' camera body
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2011, 01:32:14 PM »
The German price list was explained by Martin Achatzi, cps dealer.
He said that Canon is changing their distribution scheme and pro equipment
will from now on be available through pro dealers exclusively.

The 1D/Ds series is no longer a consumer product anymore.
Visit the professional department and there it is.

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 03:58:23 AM »
The German price list was explained by Martin Achatzi, cps dealer.
He said that Canon is changing their distribution scheme and pro equipment
will from now on be available through pro dealers exclusively.

The 1D/Ds series is no longer a consumer product anymore.
Visit the professional department and there it is.

Canon Professional Range brochure lists 5DII,1DIV and 1DsIII and uses 7D listing in Step-up Chart.
Is 5D now an Offical Pro body 
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2011, 02:29:00 PM »
"Used by pros" and "pro camera" are not the same, and Canon recognizes that. For example, xxD (even 20D) and xD bodies can be used to qualify for membership in Canon Professional Services. The difference is you need two xxD or xD bodies, but only one 1-series.   
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2011, 04:42:29 AM »
If it is indeed true that the 40+mp sensor was rejected for noise, would it not make sense for Canon to consider extrapolation of a tried and tested density? If you consider that at 4896x3264 on a 519 square millimetre chip the 1D Mk4 has a density of 30794 per square millimetre, which is significantly higher than the 24336 on the 5D2 and 1Ds Mk3. Then there is an opportunity to use this wafer at 36 x 24 to provide a 26.6mp FF sensor.  As this would have 1.66 x the pixels of the 1D Mk4, then the existing dual Digic IV providing 10FPS could even using current algorithm manage to process 6 FPS.

A 26.6 mp 1Ds Mk4 with around 6318 x 4212 and 6fps might not satisfy the mega-pixel hungry wishing to beat Nikon into submission, but it would provide a sensible step up using a combination of available technology without having to push the price point through the roof.   It would also leave the 'blue sky' development bods to work on the 46mp for the 1Ds Mk5 etc.   I might be way off, but with 30 years of running R&D it would certainly be a step I would consider. 
   

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2011, 06:21:36 AM »
To me it looks like you are describing the upcoming 1D Mk5. Add the DIGIC V and you get the necessary fps too (maybe not 10fps on full res but pretty close to that).

The 1D is also the most believable candidate to be announced next by Canon - just because of Nikon D4.

Not too long to wait to confirm this.

If it is indeed true that the 40+mp sensor was rejected for noise, would it not make sense for Canon to consider extrapolation of a tried and tested density? If you consider that at 4896x3264 on a 519 square millimetre chip the 1D Mk4 has a density of 30794 per square millimetre, which is significantly higher than the 24336 on the 5D2 and 1Ds Mk3. Then there is an opportunity to use this wafer at 36 x 24 to provide a 26.6mp FF sensor.  As this would have 1.66 x the pixels of the 1D Mk4, then the existing dual Digic IV providing 10FPS could even using current algorithm manage to process 6 FPS.

A 26.6 mp 1Ds Mk4 with around 6318 x 4212 and 6fps might not satisfy the mega-pixel hungry wishing to beat Nikon into submission, but it would provide a sensible step up using a combination of available technology without having to push the price point through the roof.   It would also leave the 'blue sky' development bods to work on the 46mp for the 1Ds Mk5 etc.   I might be way off, but with 30 years of running R&D it would certainly be a step I would consider. 
 

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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2011, 09:46:22 AM »
To me it looks like you are describing the upcoming 1D Mk5. Add the DIGIC V and you get the necessary fps too (maybe not 10fps on full res but pretty close to that).

The 1D is also the most believable candidate to be announced next by Canon - just because of Nikon D4.

Not too long to wait to confirm this.


To be honest Ivar I was consider it as more of a '1Ds Mark 3.5' Stop gap as it perhaps does not live up to everything people are anticipating. But with the delays that have occurred with lens release and the earthquake, etc.   You could see how it would give breathing space and still keep a breast of perhaps a D4 with a crop option.

It could be a possible route for a FF 26.6mp which could effectively have a 16.1mp APS-H if crop selection is to be instigated.  Even without Digic V, Dual Digic IV as per 1D Mk IV could handle the 10 fps on the 1.3 crop and 6 fps on the FF.  I suspect it would not satisfy those considering/wanting a combined FF/1.3/1.6 as it would only give 10.2 mp on the 1.6.  But then again look how much some Nikonians think their 12mp to 5mp crop is great. Though of course typical Canon users realise they could do this in DPP/any edit suite anyway.

So perhaps 26.6/16.1/10.2mp isn't so bad and in theory on the 1.6 crop it could process 15.6 fps @ 10.2mp, though not sure what I would want 15.6fps for! 
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2011, 10:33:35 AM »
So perhaps 26.6/16.1/10.2mp isn't so bad and in theory on the 1.6 crop it could process 15.6 fps @ 10.2mp, though not sure what I would want 15.6fps for!

People who shoot sports or dance can think of good uses for 15.6 FPS. The big issue is moving the mirror that fast, assuming that there is a mirror that moves. The fastest FF Canon that I know of was the 1DV film camera, that did 10FPS. There is also an issue that current DSLR focusing systems are inactive while the mirror is up, the "blackout time".

I have to agree with Ivar. A 1D5 with a scaled-up and improved 1D4 sensor and a couple DIGIC V image processors makes a lot of sense. It would simultaneously (1) replace the 1D4, (2) replace the 1Ds3 and (3) merge the 1D and 1Ds series. Canon could also introduce a less expensive but still robust 16-20MP camera for wedding photographers using 5D2's and Nikon D700's (and those of us wanting to take pictures of black cats in coal bins.) If Canon ever gets the 40+MP sensor working correctly, they might use it in that same cheaper body to create a landscape/studio camera. The 5D2's killing of 1Ds3 sales strongly suggests that the days of $8000 landscape/studio cameras are passed.

Where does video fit into all this? I'm not sure except to note that 1920 X 1080 is still only a 2MP image.
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2011, 10:36:34 AM »
Whatever else Canon offer us in the next 12 months, the next 1D must be on its way. The 2012 Olympics with the millions of photo-journo's desperate to placate news and image hungry editors means that the 1D is bound to arrive shortly. The pro togs need time to adjust to a new body.

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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2011, 03:50:58 PM »
So perhaps 26.6/16.1/10.2mp isn't so bad and in theory on the 1.6 crop it could process 15.6 fps @ 10.2mp, though not sure what I would want 15.6fps for!

People who shoot sports or dance can think of good uses for 15.6 FPS. The big issue is moving the mirror that fast, assuming that there is a mirror that moves. The fastest FF Canon that I know of was the 1DV film camera, that did 10FPS. There is also an issue that current DSLR focusing systems are inactive while the mirror is up, the "blackout time".

I have to agree with Ivar. A 1D5 with a scaled-up and improved 1D4 sensor and a couple DIGIC V image processors makes a lot of sense. It would simultaneously (1) replace the 1D4, (2) replace the 1Ds3 and (3) merge the 1D and 1Ds series.

Hi Bob, yes that was my original premis, a 1Ds IV with 26.6mp that within it incorporates the strengths of the 1D4.  Don't really care whether they call it a 1DV or a 1DsIV.  But if 'only' 10 fps is required at the crop resolution then there are no "technological uncertainties" to use a phrase from my industry.  That would be no bad thing for Canon or us and let them concentrate on getting the latest L glass right.

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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2011, 03:50:58 PM »