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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2013, 07:35:34 PM »
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My 50 already paid itself many times, I shoot for living (hence only 2 posts) and I couldn't care less for what charts say, or people that shoot brick walls and pixel pep over it.  I remember the 70s & 80s very well since my dad gave me my first camera in 1974!!! Back there there was the 35, the 50 and maybe the 80ish and there was it...And lots of people still made lots of money with them.

It amazes me how many people bitch about the 50L without have never ever used one (not saying or implying it is your case) just because someone said somewhere that it was rubbish. The only reason I've decided to post about it, was to try to help iSY  :)

Like yourself I also have the 85 1.2 II, in fact I only have 4 lenses (50, 85, 24 and the only zoom is the magnificent 70~200 2.8 mk II) and they are very different lenses, 85 vs 50. I had the 50 1.4 before and I didn't like it at all.  I can say my situation is different since as I've said I use it for living, therefore I cannot afford to having to stop shooting because its raining  :P

I use mine 50 as walk around (whenever I have some spare time) and it is nothing short of amazing, case in point is the two pictures I've posted to elucidate what I mean by how sharp it is, both pictures were taken on holidays with my pregnant wife, daughter and my trusted 1Ds mk3, 50L and 580 II combo...

There are lots of pictures out there shot in 1.2, those I've posted were shot in f2.0 if I remember correctly, I wanted a bit more in focus and a bit less melted to oblivion background.

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2013, 07:35:34 PM »

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2013, 07:40:41 PM »
Hmm.  That's a tough question.  I don't think the 50L can do anything the 1.4 can't do, in wedding situations.  And if you already have the 24-70L II, no way it's worth it.  I have used and owned the 50L and at the apertures I shot, f/2.8 and narrower, the 1.4 was sharper.  It's a specialty lens (and very good one at that) from f/1.2 to f/2.   
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2013, 07:54:04 PM »
I think it's mostly the price that people grudge about it. They feel that for the extra amount you pay the lens isn't "that much sharper".

There's not really much of an alternative, is there? I mean there's a Sigma 50mm but some say the AF is unreliable. No lens is perfect.

If fifty is your bread an butter then you will benefit from the upgrade as it will be more reliable and less likely to break while on a paid job. That in itself is prob worth the upgrade.

Not only that, it's less sharp at f/2.8 and narrower.  Only the OP can decide if that much money is worth the use from f/1.2 to f/2.  It is strictly a specialty use and an individual matter.

This is the one prime lens of Canon's that I don't understand the price tag.  I realize that 50mm at f/1.2 is going to require a lot of glass, but I also expect better overall performance than it delivers.  That's just me.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2013, 08:46:19 PM »
The 50L is really for 50mm nuts like myself. It just has character.
I really like your reply here, no comparisons between us as photographers since I'm just a hacker (in golf terms). It doesn't always have to come down to what's 'best' all the time, it's what feels right what makes you happy with using it and the results you get.

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2013, 09:26:56 PM »
My two cents is that if I had your existing lens kit, I would wait.  I have a feeling that the next year is going to bring some interesting lenses in the 50mm department, including an ART remake from Sigma and a nice 50mm (probably with IS) from Canon.  There's a lot of good about Sigma's current 50, but the AF isn't one of them.  The enhanced build quality and AF from the 35mm f1/4 in a new 50mm from Sigma could be very interesting, and most of Canon's new primes (while expensive), have been significant optical upgrades from their predecessors.

In the meantime, I think you are pretty well covered between the 24-70II and 1.4, particularly if you are pretty satisfied with your 1.4.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2013, 09:30:01 PM »
Hmm.  That's a tough question.  I don't think the 50L can do anything the 1.4 can't do, in wedding situations.  And if you already have the 24-70L II, no way it's worth it.  I have used and owned the 50L and at the apertures I shot, f/2.8 and narrower, the 1.4 was sharper.  It's a specialty lens (and very good one at that) from f/1.2 to f/2.

That's why we use 50L - be able to shoot and get best results at wide open ;D

However, it would be nice to be able to shoot at smaller apertures without worrying focus shift :-\
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2013, 10:23:03 PM »
Sold my 1.2 and returned to the 1.4. 1.2 had terrible CA and was very soft. I am desperately awaiting a new 50 from canon or Sigma.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2013, 10:23:03 PM »

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2013, 10:37:18 PM »
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My 50 already paid itself many times, I shoot for living (hence only 2 posts) and I couldn't care less for what charts say, or people that shoot brick walls and pixel pep over it.  I remember the 70s & 80s very well since my dad gave me my first camera in 1974!!! Back there there was the 35, the 50 and maybe the 80ish and there was it...And lots of people still made lots of money with them.

It amazes me how many people bitch about the 50L without have never ever used one (not saying or implying it is your case) just because someone said somewhere that it was rubbish. The only reason I've decided to post about it, was to try to help iSY   

Finally. Someone who shares my same sentiment. I have posted regularly in support of the 50L before but got tired of the rhetoric by one too many pixel peepers. I too use the 50L professionally. It is the lens I use the most on assignments as well as the lens I always take when I am traveling. It is nothing short of stellar. If you're seriously considering this lens, do the research yourself and you will find many happy users, most of which I can say are out shooting and not spending time bitching on forums.

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2013, 11:16:00 PM »
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My 50 already paid itself many times, I shoot for living (hence only 2 posts) and I couldn't care less for what charts say, or people that shoot brick walls and pixel pep over it.  I remember the 70s & 80s very well since my dad gave me my first camera in 1974!!! Back there there was the 35, the 50 and maybe the 80ish and there was it...And lots of people still made lots of money with them.

It amazes me how many people bitch about the 50L without have never ever used one (not saying or implying it is your case) just because someone said somewhere that it was rubbish. The only reason I've decided to post about it, was to try to help iSY   

Finally. Someone who shares my same sentiment. I have posted regularly in support of the 50L before but got tired of the rhetoric by one too many pixel peepers. I too use the 50L professionally. It is the lens I use the most on assignments as well as the lens I always take when I am traveling. It is nothing short of stellar. If you're seriously considering this lens, do the research yourself and you will find many happy users, most of which I can say are out shooting and not spending time bitching on forums.

Awesome.  The only problem is, is that the OP is asking for advice based upon his current gear.  If he didn't already have the f/1.4 and the 24-70L II, then it would be different.  But since he already has those two lenses, he's thinking by spending a ton of money on the 50L that he's getting better gear and or IQ, only to find out later, he's not.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2013, 11:42:42 PM »
me <-- no, i can live with my 50mm f/1.4 to save money.  all images that i have recently posted on his forum was shooting from my everyday test equipments canon 30d and 50mm f/1.4 (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=6019.150).

note:  i am waiting for new 50mm with IS  :P
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2013, 11:47:18 PM »
My two cents is that if I had your existing lens kit, I would wait.  I have a feeling that the next year is going to bring some interesting lenses in the 50mm department, including an ART remake from Sigma and a nice 50mm (probably with IS) from Canon.  There's a lot of good about Sigma's current 50, but the AF isn't one of them.  The enhanced build quality and AF from the 35mm f1/4 in a new 50mm from Sigma could be very interesting, and most of Canon's new primes (while expensive), have been significant optical upgrades from their predecessors.

In the meantime, I think you are pretty well covered between the 24-70II and 1.4, particularly if you are pretty satisfied with your 1.4.

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My thoughts EXACTLY. (Thanks, TWI for making my contribution so simple as a +1 and this line).  I'm waiting to see what Canon (& other lens manufacturers) will put out in the next 12 to 18 months re: 50mm primes.  A Canon 50mm  IS USM lens would be great, or a Sigma 50mm 'A'  - if either were f/1.4 - f/2  :)
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2013, 01:18:59 AM »
>Awesome.  The only problem is, is that the OP is asking for advice based upon his current gear.  If he didn't
>already have the f/1.4 and the 24-70L II, then it would be different.  But since he already has those two lenses,
>he's thinking by spending a ton of money on the 50L that he's getting better gear and or IQ, only to find out
>later, he's not.

I totally second that. If he hasn't already the 50mm 1.4, I would suggest to try the 50 1.2, but with the 50mm 1.4
I think there will be no "wow"-effect with a 50mm 1.2.

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I agree with you. If I would earn my money with it, the weathersealing would be a killerfeature, but I don't.
I just said that you get a less sharper lense from f1.4 to f2.5, what should be the aperture-range why I would
spend a grand more. On my 85 1.8 the update to the f1.2 was a immense difference, upon a already fantastic
85mm lense. I could pray on the 50 1.2, too, for the nice bokeh and build... but at the end. I don't think it's
worth it. The 50mm f1.0 is an even more fascinating lense everyone wants to hold in his hands... but this is
even less sharp. At the moment I don't have any 50mm lense left, because the range is too boring for me.
That's a punch in a face of classic artists, but I'm more addicted to 35mm.

I think Canon should make a 50mm 1.2 II with the specs of the 85mm 1.2 and everyony will hold still a moment,
bend down to their knees and buy it again.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2013, 04:24:38 AM »
Some great points made, which has pretty much made my decision....

I think I will stick with the 1.4 for now and see what happens with the 50 range in the next 12 months. Although, I am now tempted by the 35L again, as from all the reviews I read its way better than the 50L so this introduces another question... Is the 35L a worthwhile investment when I have the 24-70II, I would only be shooting it at 1.4-1.8 if I had one so I guess its down to if its good enough to make me wanna use it over the 24-70II for bokeh shots.

Does anyone else find that when you have money to buy gear you just cant find the right gear? lol
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2013, 04:24:38 AM »

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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2013, 04:42:32 AM »
Get a 35mm, but get the new Sigma.
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2013, 05:22:33 AM »
Just been looking at the Sigma 35 and it does look rather impressive and very sharp, and a good price! hmm..
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Re: 50mm.. Upgrade or not?
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2013, 05:22:33 AM »