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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2011, 01:47:13 AM »
He better maintains close contact to the "homefront" than spend too much time at guessing what type of CR-rating this latest rumor should get ;-) we'll know it anyway, two weeks down the road.

If an 1Ds IV is imminent, there won't be any 5Diii till Q1 2012. So it won't cut into 1Ds IV sales. The pro and the enthusiasts will be extremely happy and everyone else will get a "post-christmas" gift by February. Or could the wait extend even until June?

So 2012 could be a great year too: 5Diii in February, 7Dii in fall (?) And: 1D 5 in early 2013 (?)

There is joy in the waiting. Cheers.

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 02:38:54 AM »
If an 1Ds IV is imminent, there won't be any 5Diii till Q1 2012. So it won't cut into 1Ds IV sales. The pro and the enthusiasts will be extremely happy and everyone else will get a "post-christmas" gift by February. Or could the wait extend even until June?

So 2012 could be a great year too: 5Diii in February, 7Dii in fall (?) And: 1D 5 in early 2013 (?)

All the guestimates seem to be reasonable except the 1D5 IMHO. If Nikon releases the D4 anytime soon, the 1D5 will follow. The 1D4 is not even now a clear leader in the competition. Hopefully the follow up is not about the last minut expanded software choices but real hardware capabilities, this time.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 03:58:30 AM »
14 II released with the 1ds3 if I recall. Hope they follow in the same footprints and release something similar like a 14-24 instead of a 24-70!

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 04:09:58 AM »
A 12-24 f/2.8 or f/4 would be a nice addition to the current line up. Waiting on a 5Diii to go FF while saving up, I'll go for the Sigma 12-24 instead of a Canon 17-40 due to the slightly wider angle. Surely at the cost of range compared to the 17-40 and aperture value as well, but as I do nightscapes most of the time while using a tripode, it won't be the badest decision...although nightscapes and fast lenses are another point as well...Maybe I'll wait to save up for a 16-35 f/2.8 II then... Any advice?
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 05:05:42 AM »
A shiny new 1Ds would be very welcome, but I believe that Canon must be bringing a new 1D along. Waiting till next year will force many heading to cover the Olympics to switch to "The Dark Side", which is hardly in Canons best interests long term.

No, given how close we are to the 2012 games, the 1D has to be the top priority for Canon. Yes, I'll agree that they have made a rod for their own back by not updating some of the other bodies more regularly, but hindsight is always perfect, I imagine they had what seemed good reasons at the time. Experience is a wonderful thing and maybe in future they will manage it better?

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 06:05:33 AM »
Let's see what we get the next weeks. The guys on nikonrumors, also don't know what will be showed on 24th.

If the price for the new 1D or 1Ds is ok, I maybe skip the 5DIII. We have a lot of rumors, but nothing real, so we can only wait.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 07:04:13 AM »
A shiny new 1Ds would be very welcome, but I believe that Canon must be bringing a new 1D along. Waiting till next year will force many heading to cover the Olympics to switch to "The Dark Side", which is hardly in Canons best interests long term.

No, given how close we are to the 2012 games, the 1D has to be the top priority for Canon. Yes, I'll agree that they have made a rod for their own back by not updating some of the other bodies more regularly, but hindsight is always perfect, I imagine they had what seemed good reasons at the time. Experience is a wonderful thing and maybe in future they will manage it better?

What if ... they came out with a shiny 1 Ds IV this fall, announcing an 1D V in February (due to the upcoming sports events) and postpone the 5Diii for Q3 2012? Anyone? The new 7D would get an early 2013 time frame along with a rebel or whatever.
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2011, 08:04:29 AM »
Why is a second edition lens long overdue?  I remember there use to be a time when people would buy a lens and never dream on needing an "updated" version.  Don't you think this might just be consumerism and something that really is not needed.  The only reason why I am on the bandwagon on waiting for an "updated" camera is because current dSLRs still lack the quality of film.  They are getting close and on that day it is comparable, I think I will just have to run that camera into the ground.

I guess my point of what I am saying is I have known quite a few successful photographers who just shoot with one lens or just one old S___ty camera and still produce great results or have a incredible style.  I guess I am just having a tough time understanding the importance an extra little gidget or gadget will make over the long run  ;o)

I think consumerism plays a part here, but ...

Note Canon has very few lenses which are mk3, from the top of my head only the 75-300mm which was last updated in film days.

My impression is that the benefit from today's computer power drives much of the upgrade to mk2 lenses:

* Electronics have progressed, allowing for faster USM, improving IS, etc. This is no different than the upgrades Canon made in the transition from FD to EF, such as autofocus and allowing the camera to control the aperture.

* Ray tracing allows to create improved optics.

* Digital makes it easier to fix things which couldn't be fixed in film, making a different set of trade-offs in lens design more attractive. As example, it's easy to fix distortions (barrel, pincushion, etc, all up to a point) with a computer, so making a lens with less chromatic aberation and more distortions makes sense.

The ability to improve lenses raises expectations, and this is natural, just as in other areas of life (need examples ? I'll be happy to produce a few).

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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2011, 09:02:21 AM »
A 24 - 70mm f/2.8 MkII released without IS would be as much use to me as a paperweight!  Shooting at the weekend I was between something which resembled a cave and brilliant sunshine. no IS would have meant unrealistic lenses swapping every 5 minutes.  The Image quality of a lens with camera shake will never be as good as one without regardless of the optical quality.

Nikon have given the signal of where they are going in the 16 - 35mm f/4 VR and they will almost certainly include it in their replacement for the 24 - 70mm f/2.8  Canon could really mess this lens up if it is a non IS version, it would rule me out as a buyer, and plenty of other users like me.

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2011, 09:10:38 AM »
14 II released with the 1ds3 if I recall. Hope they follow in the same footprints and release something similar like a 14-24 instead of a 24-70!

nikon released the 14-24, 24-70 and their D3 at the same time, lets hope it goes that way!

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2011, 10:18:32 AM »
* Digital makes it easier to fix things which couldn't be fixed in film, making a different set of trade-offs in lens design more attractive. As example, it's easy to fix distortions (barrel, pincushion, etc, all up to a point) with a computer, so making a lens with less chromatic aberation and more distortions makes sense.

Chromatic aberration is also relatively easy to fix. As is vignetting. Really the priority of lenses now is a flat field and as sharp as possible.

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2011, 10:31:24 AM »
Chromatic aberration is also relatively easy to fix. As is vignetting. Really the priority of lenses now is a flat field and as sharp as possible.

Lateral CA, yes.  Axial, not so much. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2011, 10:42:19 AM »
A 24 - 70mm f/2.8 MkII released without IS would be as much use to me as a paperweight!  Shooting at the weekend I was between something which resembled a cave and brilliant sunshine. no IS would have meant unrealistic lenses swapping every 5 minutes.  The Image quality of a lens with camera shake will never be as good as one without regardless of the optical quality.

You shooting art painted on the walls of that cave, or people?  IS would sure help with cave art...but being able to handhold at 1/10 s doesn't really help shoot people.

Not disagreeing, I absolutely want IS in the next 24-70mm L.  Juist pointing out that IS has it's limitations, and sometimes you just need more light (or clean higher ISOs).
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2011, 10:52:27 AM »
Shooting people & it wasn't a cave, just resembled one!  Using flash which wouldn't reach far enough, and then I got the dreaded non functioning main selector dial, which locks the camera, and won't allow adjustment of shutter speed in Manual mode, aperture in Av, Iso or anything else the wheel controls.  It's caused by the second control dial on the battery grip getting stuck between notches (though I didn't know that at the time) you can replicate this if you try.  The camera was locked at 1/60th in manual and f/5.6 in Av.  It freed itself after about 20 minutes much to my relief, if anyone else gets this, you now know what it is!

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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2011, 11:30:27 AM »
Shooting people & it wasn't a cave, just resembled one!  Using flash which wouldn't reach far enough, and then I got the dreaded non functioning main selector dial, which locks the camera, and won't allow adjustment of shutter speed in Manual mode, aperture in Av, Iso or anything else the wheel controls.  It's caused by the second control dial on the battery grip getting stuck between notches (though I didn't know that at the time) you can replicate this if you try.  The camera was locked at 1/60th in manual and f/5.6 in Av.  It freed itself after about 20 minutes much to my relief, if anyone else gets this, you now know what it is!

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