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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2013, 12:35:16 PM »
Do you have Highlight Tone Priority (User Manual page 146) and Auto Lighting Optimizer  (User Manual Page 142) turned "OFF" in the menus?  I didn't bother to read through the replies so perhaps this has been mentioned already but that is the first thing I did when I noticed that my 5D3 had more noise than I expected.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2013, 12:42:37 PM »
ETTR, and Process noise in LR. Easily making great ISO 12,800 shots.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2013, 12:44:36 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

Wow, That's pretty good and cropped on top of that.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2013, 12:49:41 PM »
Just a quick example.  I totally overexposed this shot, because it was so damn dark down there and midcourt was so damn bright.  Much easier and cleaner to bring down in post vs. underexposing and lifting:

can you show the unedited shot for reference
also i'm guessing you shot with the 1Dx which will be even better than the 5dmk3

Well, shoot yeah, that's right I did.  I will grab the RAW file anyways, if I've got it, let me look.
That would be great. BTW, how much do you push to the right in your indoor sports shots?

With a 1Dx, on CWA, my meter reading typically reads anywhere from +1/3 to +1 EV.  I keep it in that window, or try to.  I've gone up as high as +1 2/3 and it still came out fine in post-processing, but was pretty bright.  With older cams, I kept changing the ISO to keep it around 2/3, but with the 1Dx this isn't necessary if you have time to post-process because the RAW files are just so nice.
Thanks! I was guessing +1 EV. Was not sure about that. While shooting film on my AE1 I was "told" that EC needed to be -1/3 and that had to be compensated by setting the ISO appropriately - well I did, and magically most prints came out fine.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »
F9 indoors?

My friend who used to photograph weddings once wondered why his flash couldn't keep up at f5.6 when inside.  I have enough troubles at f2.8.
To be honest if your friend was wondering that, then I'm wondering what he was doing shooting weddings in the first place.


Lol....which says a lot about a large amount of the current crop of new wedding photographers....have camera...can click a button in Auto. After all, P is for Professional..right?


Do you think this is really true? It's disheartening for me to think that any professional photographers are shooting this way. Most of the young folks I talk with who are getting into the business have some decent training and really understand theory and their equipment. I can't see any of them working that way.
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2013, 03:42:13 PM »
F9 indoors?

My friend who used to photograph weddings once wondered why his flash couldn't keep up at f5.6 when inside.  I have enough troubles at f2.8.
To be honest if your friend was wondering that, then I'm wondering what he was doing shooting weddings in the first place.


Lol....which says a lot about a large amount of the current crop of new wedding photographers....have camera...can click a button in Auto. After all, P is for Professional..right?


Do you think this is really true? It's disheartening for me to think that any professional photographers are shooting this way. Most of the young folks I talk with who are getting into the business have some decent training and really understand theory and their equipment. I can't see any of them working that way.

But don't bash P mode too bad.  If done correctly, there is a 'Professional' technique to using it.  I saw it on Creative Live.  I forget the photographers name doing the session, but he was definitely a high end wedding photographer using P mode to get an initial exposure, locking it, recomposing, and capturing the photo.  He said it allowed him to dial into the proper exposure quickly to capture those instant moments.  This versus using manual or av mode, which he said slowed him down and he would often miss the moment.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2013, 08:29:45 PM »
Thanks guys.

I do not have the RAW file anymore from the first shot.  They go quickly, sorry. 

@rpt, when I print 8x10's I do have to add exposure in post, it seems no matter how much I ETTR.  So I hear you on the printing part!
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2013, 08:29:45 PM »

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2013, 10:21:49 PM »
This is is at ISO4000, and I've seen others post at this high with no problems like I'm seeing.

ISO 4000 is not a "real" ISO.

The "real" ISO settings are 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, (maybe) 6400.

The "inbetweeners" (320, 640, 1250, 5000, 4000, etc) are all one of the above underexposed and then pulled up.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2013, 10:24:33 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

At ISO 5000 with +2/3, you've introduced more noise due to the drop in IQ as a result of ISO based amplification than you have compensated for with overexposure.

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2013, 10:25:09 PM »
This is is at ISO4000, and I've seen others post at this high with no problems like I'm seeing.

ISO 4000 is not a "real" ISO.

The "real" ISO settings are 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, (maybe) 6400.

The "inbetweeners" (320, 640, 1250, 5000, 4000, etc) are all one of the above underexposed and then pulled up.

According to a paper I have, the +1/3's are pulled up and +2/3's are pulled down (from the next real ISO).
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2013, 10:25:56 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

At ISO 5000 with +2/3, you've introduced more noise due to the drop in IQ as a result of amplification than you have compensated for with overexposure.

Wrong.
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2013, 10:28:47 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

At ISO 5000 with +2/3, you've introduced more noise due to the drop in IQ as a result of amplification than you have compensated for with overexposure.

Wrong.

What makes you believe that my comment is wrong?

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2013, 10:37:46 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

At ISO 5000 with +2/3, you've introduced more noise due to the drop in IQ as a result of amplification than you have compensated for with overexposure.

Wrong.

What makes you believe that my comment is wrong?

Because you said ISO 5000 is 3200 amplified by 2/3 stops.  Did you, or did you not, imply that?  When in fact, according to my paper, it is not.
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2013, 10:49:40 PM »
Better examples:  Photo 1 is the unedited RAW file converted straight to jpg.  I've then included two versions of edited photos.  You can edit it them any way you'd want, I just applied two presets I happened to have to illustrate the point.  This shot is at ISO 5000 and shot about +2/3 at this end of the court.

At ISO 5000 with +2/3, you've introduced more noise due to the drop in IQ as a result of amplification than you have compensated for with overexposure.

Wrong.

What makes you believe that my comment is wrong?

Because you said ISO 5000 is 3200 amplified by 2/3 stops.  Did you, or did you not, imply that?  When in fact, according to my paper, it is not.

It doesn't matter whether it is ISO 3200 or ISO 6400. Once the ISO is past the point where IQ drops more than 1 stop per ISO stop, increasing the ISO and then overexposing does not result in a better picture because you lose more than you gain by moving the ISO higher.

On the 5D2 the last real ISO is 3200 and everything over that is software underexposing and pulling up.

Whether it is the same on others...

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2013, 10:57:33 PM »
Realizing that there is not a whole lot that can be done with a low resolution jpeg, here is my try using lightroom.  I brightened it up 1.5 stops, corrected colors, added NR, and sharpness.
 

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Re: Why is my 5D3 so noisy???
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