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5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« on: May 31, 2013, 11:10:48 AM »
Hi,
i'm making a beginning to the wedding industry on my own. I've been quite experienced with the 5D and 5D2 and a bunch of crop bodies.

The one i love in FF is the adorable DOF they create which is the best way to isolate your subject in front of the chaotic background.

I'll keep my crop camera (600D) for landscapes which is light, and has the less noisy sensor (according to dpreview) camera studio tool.

However, i'm about to buy a new FF camera exclusively for weddings and i wonder if the 6D is best value for money over the overpriced and noisy 5D3. (i mean that camera completely failed me when i compared it with 5D 2. They walk side by side until ISO 12.800 of course in RAW mode)

The 6D delivers better RAW quality either because its 2 megapixel less from 5D3 or canon designed a better sensor for it.

I don't know about the AF system, i've read the specs and know all about it, but how does it work in real life?

And the million dollar question is.. Should i prefer the 5D3 AF system over the 6D better better IQ (plus the +1000 euros extra cost which is a nice L glass instead), or should the 6D AF system is more than enough in ceremonies in which case 6D will satisfy me completely!

I know 5D3 is a great camera and many people will support that, however i'm not interested in video and a non-plastic body. All i care about is RAW IQ and a reliable focus system in a descend budget.

any comments from people who worked with them both would be really helpful and much appreciated :D

many thanks in advance!
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 11:13:47 AM »
5D MkIII, AF is king, queen and bishops. A slightly smoother RAW file is not worth a damn if the AF fails you. I still shoot weddings at 800iso max, so not being able to go past 12,800, I see, is a complete non issue. But a great AF system can get you images that stand out from the crowd.
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 11:16:54 AM »
I don't consider the 5D3 over-priced (for what I got them for) nor noisy at all. I liked the 1D series AF but It never came on cheaper camera's until the 5D3. It's AF is the best I've ever used on any camera and It's AF has helped me where the 6D/5D2/5Dc AF would have been darn difficult to pull off.

As for IQ, It's a wash between 5D3/6D and even 1DX. They're all excellent at 12,800 and with careful technique usable 25,600 shots.

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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2013, 11:21:54 AM »
However, i'm about to buy a new FF camera exclusively for weddings and i wonder if the 6D is best value for money over the overpriced and noisy 5D3. (i mean that camera completely failed me when i compared it with 5D 2. They walk side by side until ISO 12.800 of course in RAW mode)

The 5DII image quality was (and remains) excellent.  The 5DIII fixes pretty much everything else that was 'wrong' with the 5DII...notably the AF system. 

I'd pick the 5DIII over the 6D in a heartbeat for any situation with moving subjects.
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2013, 11:45:48 AM »
However, i'm about to buy a new FF camera exclusively for weddings and i wonder if the 6D is best value for money over the overpriced and noisy 5D3. (i mean that camera completely failed me when i compared it with 5D 2. They walk side by side until ISO 12.800 of course in RAW mode)

The 5DII image quality was (and remains) excellent.  The 5DIII fixes pretty much everything else that was 'wrong' with the 5DII...notably the AF system. 

I'd pick the 5DIII over the 6D in a heartbeat for any situation with moving subjects.

Agreed.  5d2 was good but you couldn't AF to save your life in a crutch situation.  6d is good for extreme low light detail photos, but 5d3 is better in just about everything else... 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2013, 11:49:01 AM »
hmm so you're saying that the 5D3 AF system worth the extra cash, and focus is everything, where i agree on that.

I haven't been experienced with 1D series AF systems, and a when i played a bit with 5D3 it confused me a lot. I found it so complicated that i said "do i really need that" ???, where the simpler AF settings of the 6D with the -3ev sensitivity in the center point is tempting, making me ask myself and you of course.

However you're saying 5D3 AF system is more reliable and tested from the one of 6D.

another +1 about the 5D3 is the second slot card used as a backup for weddings something 6D lacks off :(
i don't know if the wireless function of the 6d permits backup
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2013, 12:04:00 PM »
hmm so you're saying that the 5D3 AF system worth the extra cash, and focus is everything, where i agree on that.

I haven't been experienced with 1D series AF systems, and a when i played a bit with 5D3 it confused me a lot. I found it so complicated that i said "do i really need that" ???, where the simpler AF settings of the 6D with the -3ev sensitivity in the center point is tempting, making me ask myself and you of course.

However you're saying 5D3 AF system is more reliable and tested from the one of 6D.

another +1 about the 5D3 is the second slot card used as a backup for weddings something 6D lacks off :(
i don't know if the wireless function of the 6d permits backup


2 cents

I own a 5d3 and have rented a 6d (I may end up buying one as backup in the next few weeks), and I shoot mostly weddings and portraits.  Unless $$$ is really tight, I'd opt for the 5d3 now then fill in your glass needs later (hard to say though because I do not know what glass you have). 

The 6d is a fine camera, but I would be leary of depending on it too heavily as a primary body because it just didn't feel as sturdy as the mk3 (mind you, I'm not saying the 6d felt like junk, just that the mk3 does for sure have better build). 

The 6d AF system isn't all that bad...just limited as the light gets lower (depending on the ceremony sight it would be center point only, where the mk3 will use all points flawlessly).

either way, I'd go mk3 over 6d.
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2013, 12:21:42 PM »
The 1/180s flash sync on the 6D bothters me.  I think that would give me some trouble at a wedding. 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 12:46:48 PM »
hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2013, 12:52:36 PM »
hmm so you're saying that the 5D3 AF system worth the extra cash, and focus is everything, where i agree on that.

I haven't been experienced with 1D series AF systems, and a when i played a bit with 5D3 it confused me a lot. I found it so complicated that i said "do i really need that" ???, where the simpler AF settings of the 6D with the -3ev sensitivity in the center point is tempting, making me ask myself and you of course.

However you're saying 5D3 AF system is more reliable and tested from the one of 6D.

another +1 about the 5D3 is the second slot card used as a backup for weddings something 6D lacks off :(
i don't know if the wireless function of the 6d permits backup


2 cents

I own a 5d3 and have rented a 6d (I may end up buying one as backup in the next few weeks), and I shoot mostly weddings and portraits.  Unless $$$ is really tight, I'd opt for the 5d3 now then fill in your glass needs later (hard to say though because I do not know what glass you have). 

The 6d is a fine camera, but I would be leary of depending on it too heavily as a primary body because it just didn't feel as sturdy as the mk3 (mind you, I'm not saying the 6d felt like junk, just that the mk3 does for sure have better build). 

The 6d AF system isn't all that bad...just limited as the light gets lower (depending on the ceremony sight it would be center point only, where the mk3 will use all points flawlessly).

either way, I'd go mk3 over 6d.

The tracking capability of the 5d3 on moving subjects like walking down the isle, first dance, dressing room, etc...  Too many situations where AF is crucial.  Also good point about durability...  At a event I was hired to do a photobooth/candid photographer for Union Pacific, my second assistant tripped over a cord and knocked my 5d3 which fell 3-4 feet onto concrete...  It has a paint scuff on the bottom corner, but other than that, it is in perfect condition... even my 24-105 suffered little to no damage...  Cant say enough about the durability. 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2013, 01:03:47 PM »
Currently I'm using a 5D Classic and 5D Mark II on my Blackrapid DR-1.  Decent combo.  In a few weeks that will change to a 5D Mark II and a 5D Mark III.  The ISO performance compared to the previous was much better on the Mark II.  I can only suspect it will be even better with the Mark III.

Previous setup was a 40D and 5D Classic.

Yeah, I'm one of those guys that don't like switching lenses that often, so I use the dual body setup at the weddings.

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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2013, 02:02:09 PM »
However, i'm about to buy a new FF camera exclusively for weddings and i wonder if the 6D is best value for money over the overpriced and noisy 5D3. (i mean that camera completely failed me when i compared it with 5D 2. They walk side by side until ISO 12.800 of course in RAW mode)

The 5DII image quality was (and remains) excellent.  The 5DIII fixes pretty much everything else that was 'wrong' with the 5DII...notably the AF system. 

I'd pick the 5DIII over the 6D in a heartbeat for any situation with moving subjects.

Agreed.  5d2 was good but you couldn't AF to save your life in a crutch situation.  6d is good for extreme low light detail photos, but 5d3 is better in just about everything else...
Absolutely agree!  I recall reading several articles, even on CR before I got mine, stating emphatically that the 5D Mk III was a wedding photographers perfect tool... It's an excellent choice.  And I agree with others regarding the AF, it's really second to none in the sub $3,000 price bracket for Canon bodies...  :)
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2013, 12:17:20 PM »
hmm so you're saying that the 5D3 AF system worth the extra cash, and focus is everything, where i agree on that.

I haven't been experienced with 1D series AF systems, and a when i played a bit with 5D3 it confused me a lot. I found it so complicated that i said "do i really need that" ???, where the simpler AF settings of the 6D with the -3ev sensitivity in the center point is tempting, making me ask myself and you of course.

However you're saying 5D3 AF system is more reliable and tested from the one of 6D.

another +1 about the 5D3 is the second slot card used as a backup for weddings something 6D lacks off :(
i don't know if the wireless function of the 6d permits backup


2 cents

I own a 5d3 and have rented a 6d (I may end up buying one as backup in the next few weeks), and I shoot mostly weddings and portraits.  Unless $$$ is really tight, I'd opt for the 5d3 now then fill in your glass needs later (hard to say though because I do not know what glass you have). 

The 6d is a fine camera, but I would be leary of depending on it too heavily as a primary body because it just didn't feel as sturdy as the mk3 (mind you, I'm not saying the 6d felt like junk, just that the mk3 does for sure have better build). 

The 6d AF system isn't all that bad...just limited as the light gets lower (depending on the ceremony sight it would be center point only, where the mk3 will use all points flawlessly).

either way, I'd go mk3 over 6d.

The tracking capability of the 5d3 on moving subjects like walking down the isle, first dance, dressing room, etc...  Too many situations where AF is crucial.  Also good point about durability...  At a event I was hired to do a photobooth/candid photographer for Union Pacific, my second assistant tripped over a cord and knocked my 5d3 which fell 3-4 feet onto concrete...  It has a paint scuff on the bottom corner, but other than that, it is in perfect condition... even my 24-105 suffered little to no damage...  Cant say enough about the durability.

That's why I say snag the 5d3!  If you already have one and are in need of a backup, then the 6d is a fine choice (of course, if funds allow it, a second 5d3 would be better).  But if your making the move to a FF primary body for weddings, 5d3 wins that battle hands down. 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2013, 12:29:06 PM »
hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm

Your 10-22 won't work on a FF body (you may know that already though).  I'm not sure if the 8mm is FF capable, but that would be almost tooo wide for wedding work

Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all, then sold to a friend who was going to africa and wanted more than a P&S.    So, be ready for your 600D to become a dust collector!

Also, after you snag your mk3, you could sell the 600d with 10-22 and then the 8 mm and snag yourself a 6d as backup body.

Lastly, I see your hot to trot for the 50 1.4, but, take a good look at the 85mm 1.8...same price basically but IMO a much more useful lens!

either way, be ready for the 600d to become a paper weight! 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 12:32:59 PM »
5D3, period!
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