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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2013, 03:19:34 PM »
hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm

Your 10-22 won't work on a FF body (you may know that already though).  I'm not sure if the 8mm is FF capable, but that would be almost tooo wide for wedding work

Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all, then sold to a friend who was going to africa and wanted more than a P&S.    So, be ready for your 600D to become a dust collector!

Also, after you snag your mk3, you could sell the 600d with 10-22 and then the 8 mm and snag yourself a 6d as backup body.

Lastly, I see your hot to trot for the 50 1.4, but, take a good look at the 85mm 1.8...same price basically but IMO a much more useful lens!

either way, be ready for the 600d to become a paper weight!


i see your point.
if i'd sell the 600D + 10-22 i'd go for the 16-35 2.8, i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes.

the EF 85mm 1.8 is an excellent lens no doubt, better in everything than 50mm 1.4 (sharpness, bokeh)
However, the 50mm range is more "all around" than the 85mm and the churches here are a bit tight.

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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2013, 03:43:14 PM »
hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm

Your 10-22 won't work on a FF body (you may know that already though).  I'm not sure if the 8mm is FF capable, but that would be almost tooo wide for wedding work

Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all, then sold to a friend who was going to africa and wanted more than a P&S.    So, be ready for your 600D to become a dust collector!

Also, after you snag your mk3, you could sell the 600d with 10-22 and then the 8 mm and snag yourself a 6d as backup body.

Lastly, I see your hot to trot for the 50 1.4, but, take a good look at the 85mm 1.8...same price basically but IMO a much more useful lens!

either way, be ready for the 600d to become a paper weight!


i see your point.
if i'd sell the 600D + 10-22 i'd go for the 16-35 2.8, i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes.

the EF 85mm 1.8 is an excellent lens no doubt, better in everything than 50mm 1.4 (sharpness, bokeh)
However, the 50mm range is more "all around" than the 85mm and the churches here are a bit tight.

I had thought the same thing ---re: " i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes."...But your 24-70 will actually cover the wide end on a FF body!  It was startling to me, my 24-70 was a whole new lens on FF vs crop.  And the quality at 24mm on FF vs the 10-22mm,...yeah, I quickly decided that its just better to take a few more steps back and use the 24-70 on the mk3 than to use the 10-22mm on the 7d.  That really ended up being the final nail in my 7d's coffin.  That and the reach factor with crop vs cropping the FF image...cropped FF was superior.

LOL --- the primes I have now, I bought them thinking - OK, lets see if maybe using the 7d with the 50mm and 85mm would get me to use it more.  What ended up happening?  I used the primes on the mk3.  Seriously, I was fighting to find a way to make the 7d relevant, but in all cases the mk3 outshined it by so much that I just stopped using the 7d.  So yeah, be ready for that (and the 7d is a bteer body than your 600d!!!!).
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2013, 11:29:02 AM »
hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm

Your 10-22 won't work on a FF body (you may know that already though).  I'm not sure if the 8mm is FF capable, but that would be almost tooo wide for wedding work

Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all, then sold to a friend who was going to africa and wanted more than a P&S.    So, be ready for your 600D to become a dust collector!

Also, after you snag your mk3, you could sell the 600d with 10-22 and then the 8 mm and snag yourself a 6d as backup body.

Lastly, I see your hot to trot for the 50 1.4, but, take a good look at the 85mm 1.8...same price basically but IMO a much more useful lens!

either way, be ready for the 600d to become a paper weight!


i see your point.
if i'd sell the 600D + 10-22 i'd go for the 16-35 2.8, i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes.

the EF 85mm 1.8 is an excellent lens no doubt, better in everything than 50mm 1.4 (sharpness, bokeh)
However, the 50mm range is more "all around" than the 85mm and the churches here are a bit tight.

I had thought the same thing ---re: " i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes."...But your 24-70 will actually cover the wide end on a FF body!  It was startling to me, my 24-70 was a whole new lens on FF vs crop.  And the quality at 24mm on FF vs the 10-22mm,...yeah, I quickly decided that its just better to take a few more steps back and use the 24-70 on the mk3 than to use the 10-22mm on the 7d.  That really ended up being the final nail in my 7d's coffin.  That and the reach factor with crop vs cropping the FF image...cropped FF was superior.

LOL --- the primes I have now, I bought them thinking - OK, lets see if maybe using the 7d with the 50mm and 85mm would get me to use it more.  What ended up happening?  I used the primes on the mk3.  Seriously, I was fighting to find a way to make the 7d relevant, but in all cases the mk3 outshined it by so much that I just stopped using the 7d.  So yeah, be ready for that (and the 7d is a bteer body than your 600d!!!!).
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Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all
Sounds pretty much like what my experience was!  Lot of noisy shadows with my 7D.  I just finally sold it about a week ago.  Something I never thought would ever happen, six months ago!
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2013, 11:55:50 AM »
I'd go 5d3 over 6d if your only snagging 1 FF body.  I am currently using both the 5d3 and the 6d for wedding work and the files from both look pretty damn close (its odd, I do find some situations where I like the colors for the 6d better, then vice versa).

For weddings though, reliability is a huge factor to consider.   And on that level, the 5d3 wins hands down. I would not buy a 6d as my main body, though I do truly like the camera, there are some shortcomings to it that are hard to move past.

Here are 2 images - both unedited, one from the 6d and one from the 5d3, same setting, can any of tell which one is from which camera?
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2013, 12:05:21 PM »
Wow lots of 7D bashing going on. I disagree, the crop body has a place in my bag for weddings. I pretty much shot an entire wedding with the 7D & 17-55 and 5D2 & 135L. Of course theh 5D combo rocked it but you know what the 7D was no slouch! (And when the bride wants a shot of 11 people jumping in the air - 8fps makes it a cake walk) AF is crucial at a wedding and your subject is rarely in the center. And if it is then your shots will look crappy and average.

Now, my point is not to go out and buy a 7D but that AF is important and if you are choosing a camera for weddings, the the 5D3 is the clear choice. You have the speed, the IQ and the higher res file for cropping. There will be cropping!

Oh and when you go from indoors to outdoors in 1second. Good luck changing your WB on the 6D.
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
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thank god i donĀ“t shoot weddings.....

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 01:11:29 PM »
Wow lots of 7D bashing going on. I disagree, the crop body has a place in my bag for weddings. I pretty much shot an entire wedding with the 7D & 17-55 and 5D2 & 135L. Of course theh 5D combo rocked it but you know what the 7D was no slouch! (And when the bride wants a shot of 11 people jumping in the air - 8fps makes it a cake walk) AF is crucial at a wedding and your subject is rarely in the center. And if it is then your shots will look crappy and average.

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Now, my point is not to go out and buy a 7D but that AF is importan
t and if you are choosing a camera for weddings, the the 5D3 is the clear choice. You have the speed, the IQ and the higher res file for cropping. There will be cropping!

Oh and when you go from indoors to outdoors in 1second. Good luck changing your WB on the 6D.
Agreed, the 7d is still a relevant body and it has been the APS-C flagship for Canon since it's inception.  It's still relevant and I think will remain so, until the 7D MkII is announced and makes it way into camera bags across the globe...

I think a lot of current 7d owners want the new one, just because the original is such a great camera!  They may be thinking that if this one is this good, how much greater is the next one going to be, especially after the number of years it's been holding it's own. 

I used my 7D in weddings and it got the job done but I can't honestly say it "rocked".  But it got me through... often times with a lot of work in post with regard to the noise in the shadows and darker areas.  It's high iso usage is limited at best, especially compared to the 5d MkIII. 
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 01:21:49 PM »
I'd go 5d3 over 6d if your only snagging 1 FF body.  I am currently using both the 5d3 and the 6d for wedding work and the files from both look pretty damn close (its odd, I do find some situations where I like the colors for the 6d better, then vice versa).

For weddings though, reliability is a huge factor to consider.   And on that level, the 5d3 wins hands down. I would not buy a 6d as my main body, though I do truly like the camera, there are some shortcomings to it that are hard to move past.

Here are 2 images - both unedited, one from the 6d and one from the 5d3, same setting, can any of tell which one is from which camera?

On what planet are different lenses, focal lengths, iso's, apertures, shutter speeds, white balance and tint values considered "same setting"?

I would suggest getting some camera calibration software, Adobe have a great free one, and a colour card to sort out your WB and tint issues.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 01:51:23 PM »
I'd go 5d3 over 6d if your only snagging 1 FF body.  I am currently using both the 5d3 and the 6d for wedding work and the files from both look pretty damn close (its odd, I do find some situations where I like the colors for the 6d better, then vice versa).

For weddings though, reliability is a huge factor to consider.   And on that level, the 5d3 wins hands down. I would not buy a 6d as my main body, though I do truly like the camera, there are some shortcomings to it that are hard to move past.

Here are 2 images - both unedited, one from the 6d and one from the 5d3, same setting, can any of tell which one is from which camera?

On what planet are different lenses, focal lengths, iso's, apertures, shutter speeds, white balance and tint values considered "same setting"?

I would suggest getting some camera calibration software, Adobe have a great free one, and a colour card to sort out your WB and tint issues.

note...same setting was meant as ---same location (IE the setting of the image, not the settings of the cameras!)

PS...lens one camera had 70-200, the other had the 85 1.8...And to give more perspoective...it was a path with a bit of a windy curve to it, so i hadthe walk away from me, shooting, at the apex of the curve, stop pose, walk towards me, stop, pose, walk towards me....also I chose these 2 because the framing is similar.
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Re: 5D2 / 5D3 / 6D Which one do you use for weddings ?
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 01:51:36 PM »
I use the 6D for weddings and on-location portraits and it's fantastic, especially in low-light where it shines.

It's true, capturing moving subjects is difficult with the AF, but not impossible. I have the Depth of Field Preview button set up to change the AF to AI Servo mode when I hold it down and I use that + continuous burst to get those photos where movement is a problem (bride walking down the aisle, etc). Most of the shots from such a scene are slightly out of focus, but a lot of them are still useable and there are usually 2 or 3 in perfect focus as well.

It's no 1D-series AF but I do believe it's slightly improved over the 5D2 which a lot of wedding shooters (including me) were using before the 5D3 even existed. Now that the 6D is out, and cheap, I would never recommend the 5D2... The 6D is superior in every way (except it's missing a flash PC sync port!) Oh, and don't get me started on the center AF point. I've used it to get accurate focus in situations that were so I dark I could barely see the subject. This is one of the few cameras on the planet that can focus in nothing but moonlight.

I say get the 6D and use the extra money on lenses/flashes.
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 01:58:37 PM »
note...same setting was meant as ---same location (IE the setting of the image, not the settings of the cameras!
Have you heard the phrase 'comparing apples with oranges'?
You can actually control those 'settings of the camera' and make photo of either kind from both of them!

And even the scene can change a lot even though you think they are 'same setting'. Cloud, some stray light or reflection entering the scene and changing metering, to name a few.
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2013, 02:25:17 PM »
I also have the same question, but the one thing that hasn't really been addressed so far is the price difference. As of a couple of days ago, you can find a 6d body for less than $1600 while the 5dmkiii is still just under $3000. That's almost half the price. Is the autofocus worth that nearly $1500 jump or would that money be better spent in say a 24-70? (I have a 550D that is starting to showing it's age)

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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2013, 02:45:16 PM »
I also have the same question, but the one thing that hasn't really been addressed so far is the price difference. As of a couple of days ago, you can find a 6d body for less than $1600 while the 5dmkiii is still just under $3000. That's almost half the price. Is the autofocus worth that nearly $1500 jump or would that money be better spent in say a 24-70? (I have a 550D that is starting to showing it's age)

The autofocus IS worth the extra $1500, but only if you need it. As I said above, I shoot weddings and I get by without the 5D3's AF just fine. I spent the extra money on lenses and flashes.

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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2013, 03:07:29 PM »
The autofocus IS worth the extra $1500, but only if you need it. As I said above, I shoot weddings and I get by without the 5D3's AF just fine. I spent the extra money on lenses and flashes.
In this regard, I noted that two of the three lenses used by the OP were f4 lenses.  Would putting money into a 24-70 f2.8 or 70-200 f2.8 be of more value than moving from a 6D to 5D3 in the context of shooting weddings?  I have only taken photos at weddings as a backup to a pro and I relied a lot on flash so I don't know if 2.8 would be a significant gain to a wedding photographer other than bokeh.
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