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what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« on: June 03, 2013, 03:35:22 PM »
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Samyang-24mm-f-3.5-Tilt-Shift-Lens-Review.aspx


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While I'm sure that marketing can put the right spin on this statement to make it factual even without the word "may" being included, but that word shows some wishful thinking. And from an image quality perspective, wishful is about as far as this lens goes – unless you stop down to at least f/5.6 or f/8.

With a wide open aperture, the Samyang 24mm f/3.5 Tilt-Shift Lens delivers blurry image quality. It's just ugly. Do not plan on using this lens at any aperture wider than f/5.6, or better yet, f/8 (especially for full frame corners image quality). Use the "Image Quality" tool link at the top of this page to see the lab test results for yourself.


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over 900 euro and such a bad image quality?
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what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« on: June 03, 2013, 03:35:22 PM »

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 03:53:18 PM »
I have never used my 24 tse wider than F11 and can't really imagine a need to so if you are budget minded and need to go with the samyung over the canon I'm not sure if this is much of an issue.

It's a very specialized lens, designed for architectural purposes which require large depths of field. If your needs are more general purpose the the 24mm prime is much more appropriate.

Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Go cheap and it won't be top quality. Another route is a used 24mm ts version 1. I picked one up last year for 800.00 to hold me over til I can afford the version 2. It's still a serviceable lens.
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 04:00:30 PM »
I have never used my 24 tse wider than F11 and can't really imagine a need to so

well you are only one person ... a very egocentric world view you have or you really lack imagination.    :)

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it's a very specialized lens, designed for architectural purposes which require large depths of field.

many photographer use it especially to REDUCE or PLAY with DOF.

i love my canon 24mm TS II for wedding photos with narrow DOF.
and for landscape photos with as much DOF as i can get.

don´t limit yourself because you think a lens is made for a specific purpose.

but the samyang IQ is crap... i don´t know who will pay 900 euro for this lens.
everyone would be doing better buying a used canon 24mm TS I.





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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »
I have never used my 24 tse wider than F11 and can't really imagine a need to so

well you are only one person ... a very egocentric world view you have and you really lack imagination.   ::)

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it's a very specialized lens, designed for architectural purposes which require large depths of field.

many photographer use it especially to REDUCE DOF.

i love my canon 24mm TS II for wedding photos with narrow DOF.
and for landscape photos with as much DOF as i can get.

don´t limit yourself because you think a lens is made for a specific purpose.

the samyang IQ is creap... i dont know who will pay 900 euro for this lens.
everyone would be doing better buying a used canon 24mm TS I.

I think you're going a bit far in the other direction saying it's complete crap. It's certainly not good until stopped down. But what about people like agierke who do stop down significantly? That $1000 or so can be a big deal to a lot of people, especially if they aren't making a significant living off of photography. Then of course, there are plenty of people (like you) who need to use it wide open, or need the maximum quality and so of course you opt for the Canon lens.

That said, I was really hoping the quality would be a lot better, and I'm re-thinking buying this lens eventually in favor of the Canon v2. Although I probably won't for a longer time, given the Canon cost and that I won't be using it a significant amount of time. Guess it's time to go play the lotto and cross my fingers...
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 04:32:33 PM »
I think you're going a bit far in the other direction saying it's complete crap. It's certainly not good until stopped down.

but even stopped down the quality is not worth the money.
it´s usable stopped down.

and i really don´t want to see the borders when the center region is so bad already.


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captured crops were taken from a section of the frame about 1/3 of the distance from the center to the full frame corner – still within what should be the sweet spot of the image circle
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The Canon option delivers very noticeably better image quality – it as sharp at f/3.5 as the Samyang is at any aperture in this comparison.

and don´t get me started about the bokeh or distortions.  ::)

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And unfortunately, this lens has more than an average amount of distortion (barrel) for a prime lens. Distortion can be corrected during post processing, but it is a pixel-level-destructive/image quality-degrading process.

If you are correcting for lens distortion, you can also correct perspective distortion at the same time. This all devalues having the shift feature in the first place.

i mean come on.. this is a prime lens, no IS, no AF, no electronics.... you could think they get the optics right for 900 euro. does not have to be outstanding but at least decent.

ok ok.. i payed 2000 euro for my canon TS lens.
not cheap sure.. but i think when you need a TS lens then you better buy a good one.
i sure would not be happy with the samyang.. not even for 700 euro.



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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 04:36:10 PM »
Isn't one of the possible application that you can (apparently) have a large DOF with wider apertures? Foreground to background sharp without having to stop down to f/11 or higher?

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »
Isn't one of the possible application that you can (apparently) have a large DOF with wider apertures? Foreground to background sharp without having to stop down to f/11 or higher?

yes.. this lens is a complete let down... iyam.
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 05:17:28 PM »
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love my canon 24mm TS II for wedding photos with narrow DOF.
and for landscape photos with as much DOF as i can get.

don´t limit yourself because you think a lens is made for a specific purpose

maybe i mispoke...i almost never have used it wider than F11. i've done the tilted wedding shot with the 24mm and i personally didnt find it all that rewarding given what the subject was so i stopped doing it. it was more of a gimmick in my mind than "creative". my cousin uses the 45mm TS during the portrait portion of a wedding and i find that much more of a "creative" use of TS. but whatever...to each his own.

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Isn't one of the possible application that you can (apparently) have a large DOF with wider apertures? Foreground to background sharp without having to stop down to f/11 or higher?

very true but at some point you reach diminishing returns. if the goal is to maximize DOF through tilting then you are not likely to push it wide open as this would defeat the purpose. you are more likely to push it to F8 and tilt than to go wide open. but sure, i guess there are "creative" moments where you would want wide open with a maximum tilt....but not to maximize your DOF.

my point was clearly missed. the lens is designed for architectural and landscape photography which traditionally requires large DOF. is it such a stretch to imagine Samyung kept costs down by designing a lens that would fulfill the traditional needs of this genre of photography and bypass any IQ on the wide open end?

if you already have a 24mm TS II then why is this of concern to you? do people really expect a 3rd party 900.00 lens to match up with one of the best canon lenses ever made at a price point of 2300.00? seriously...common sense would suggest no. to me this is no surprise and really very little concern.

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2013, 05:27:50 PM »
I was excited for this lens, but my excitement is long gone.  It seemed a natural fit - Samyang's have overall had very good optics - just no real moving parts (AF/Aperture control).  Here's a lens type that is traditionally manual focus only.  I thought Samyang would be able to really compete here, but they have failed to do that at all.  Color me disappointed.
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2013, 05:56:07 PM »
Well I bought the lens and am quite happy with it.  It makes the verticals vertical, and generally I need it to be at f8 to f11 to get a large DOF.
I'm frequently photographing structures like below in poor light conditions.  The Samyang works just fine.
The data on Lensrentals clearly  show that at f11 and above the resolution of the Samyang is equal to the Canon.  Yes it would be nice if it was better  below f8, but why make such a big deal about it? Its not the first lens that needs to be stopped down to get decent resolution, and it won't be the last. 



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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2013, 06:01:26 PM »
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Isn't one of the possible application that you can (apparently) have a large DOF with wider apertures? Foreground to background sharp without having to stop down to f/11 or higher?

very true but at some point you reach diminishing returns. if the goal is to maximize DOF through tilting then you are not likely to push it wide open as this would defeat the purpose. you are more likely to push it to F8 and tilt than to go wide open. but sure, i guess there are "creative" moments where you would want wide open with a maximum tilt....but not to maximize your DOF.

my point was clearly missed. the lens is designed for architectural and landscape photography which traditionally requires large DOF. is it such a stretch to imagine Samyung kept costs down by designing a lens that would fulfill the traditional needs of this genre of photography and bypass any IQ on the wide open end?

Agree, that's why I wrote "one possible application". I don't think the lens is useless. For maximizing DOF at f/8 and shift and higher it still delivers the required functionality for half the prize of the Canon. But possibilities are more limited than with the Canon. As usual, lens design is about trade-offs.
If this lens is still a good value for the money depends on the individual making the purchase decision and their intended use

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 01:00:50 AM »
Before we go all crazy on hating the lens, lets all remember that that was one lens tested.  Rokinon is known for not always having the most constant quality of product.  This lens might have just been a bad copy, when they start trying out more of them and find the same thing, then we can get a little upset but before then, we should just wait and see.
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 07:23:48 AM »
Before we go all crazy on hating the lens, lets all remember that that was one lens tested.  Rokinon is known for not always having the most constant quality of product.  This lens might have just been a bad copy, when they start trying out more of them and find the same thing, then we can get a little upset but before then, we should just wait and see.

LensRentals tested 4 copies against the TS-E 24 and found it wanting wide open (unshifted) as well.  LR found that the Samyang catches up to the Canon at f/11 and smaller, but the build quality of the Samyang is also much worse.  People are definitely expecting more after Samyang produced some good products at very good prices.  An optically inferior and less robust tilt shift costing 1000 is not a screaming bargain like some of their other products.  Now if the price drops to 500, I'm sure there will be a more that will consider and buy it.

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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 09:00:38 AM »
Let me get this right.
A $1k lens is not as sharp as a $2k lens... and you're spitting mad? Have you never thought that (usually) you pay for what you get? Quite often, you pay a lot more.

Excellent optics aside, Canon doesn't install IS, autofocus or even a reasonably fine MF arrangement in its TS lenses either...

If you're cash strapped, it's fairly easy to find 35 /2.8 FD mount TS lenses and Ed Mika offers a conversion kit. Going this route will usually cost less than $1k.
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Re: what utter crap this is.... samyang 24mm TS
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 09:13:09 AM »
let us first se another test and exemplar first, Im not saying it not can be true that the difference are so big but it looks little bit od .here is lens tip http://www.lenstip.com/372.4-Lens_review-Samyang_T-S_24_mm_f_3.5_ED_AS_UMC_Image_resolution.html

its no blockbusters


Agreed, the digital picture review images look so bad but others look OK, not Amazing but pretty good.

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 09:13:09 AM »