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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2013, 03:46:38 AM »
The others have all made good points,but after all i am sure the couple will be over the moon with them thats the most important thing :) and i am sure you gained a lot of experience from it :)

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 04:08:28 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 05:02:39 AM »
Hi GMCPhotographics,

no worries - without lots of practice and an artistic vein, no one can consistently apply the overwhelming number of often conflicting advice on forums. What forum advice does for me is it helps me think and realize what I want and where I stand.

To the OP: I like the pics, especially the lighting in the first one and the bokeh in some of the others on your flickr.

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 05:34:42 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Oh for goodness sake.... I usually don't critique people's comments on forums, why let people see my carefully honed skills of superciliousness and arrogance. For sure they would imitate and the internet really doesn't need any more screaming egos.

OP - well done on great photos - I'm a bit behind you on the learning curve but may have to help on a wedding soon and actually got some inspiration from your shots. After all, this is a community where people are supposed to share and help each other out, right? I agree with the issues of cropping and watching out for extraneous details that might interfere and make the shots a bit busy that others have mentioned though, but you've got a great eye for the moments and clearly have the technical skills.  Now comes the practice.... the hard way, by trial and error.... [dramatic music swells, the audience gasp, there's not a dry eye in the house]  ;D ;)
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2013, 07:50:18 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Oh for goodness sake.... I usually don't critique people's comments on forums, why let people see my carefully honed skills of superciliousness and arrogance. For sure they would imitate and the internet really doesn't need any more screaming egos.
  ;D ;)

Screaming ego? Supercilious and Arrogant? No just a professional. I don't hand out my skill set on a plate to people I don't know. If you want to learn, go on a workshop and pay for your knowledge aquistion. You seem to throw an emotional responce to my company policy. There's at least three insults in your post. Maybe it's you who should take an ethics review?

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2013, 08:01:38 AM »
Hi GMCPhotographics,

no worries - without lots of practice and an artistic vein, no one can consistently apply the overwhelming number of often conflicting advice on forums. What forum advice does for me is it helps me think and realize what I want and where I stand.

To the OP: I like the pics, especially the lighting in the first one and the bokeh in some of the others on your flickr.

My advice is not to listen to simular contempories but find an artistic style which is purely your own look and view. Stick to it and evolve it into a disctinct style which seperates you from the crowd. Other wise you are just following what every one else is doing and there is nothing to make you unique and disctinct. Many of the great wedding photographers developed their skills over a long time, keeping with their vision and ethos, eventually their name became known due to their style.
If everyone just copies and rehashes old ideas then everyone becomes this amorphus mass of contradictions where the common denominator becomes very low.
Who we ask critiques from defines where we are in our skill set. My critiques come from a select group of experianced professionals who know me and support my vision. If you want to improve get it from professionals not from a bunch of people who probably know less than you do.
I no longer seek awards or medals, I've found that a lot of judges are sub competent in their genre...so why submit my work to them? If you want to announce the fact you've done a wedding, congraz welcome to the nut house ;)

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2013, 08:38:13 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Why teach?

Because life is not a zero sum game? Because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts?

At my age I go to a lot more funerals than weddings. I've noticed the people who are grieved and who are genuinely missed are those who were generous -- with time and talent and love. They were the ones who gave back to their communities, and the photographic community is a community. Those who come here to learn are to be applauded, not considered leeches.

You might do well to sit down this evening and read a little story by Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol. He wrote it so people might understand the joy of giving to one another. It's available free in e-reader editions, but you probably don't want to take it for free so there are versions you can pay for.

The community of people who genuinely care about the art of pictures is small. Those of us who do need to stick together and help one another -- even those too timid to come out and speak openly.
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2013, 08:56:31 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Oh for goodness sake.... I usually don't critique people's comments on forums, why let people see my carefully honed skills of superciliousness and arrogance. For sure they would imitate and the internet really doesn't need any more screaming egos.
  ;D ;)

Screaming ego? Supercilious and Arrogant? No just a professional. I don't hand out my skill set on a plate to people I don't know. If you want to learn, go on a workshop and pay for your knowledge aquistion. You seem to throw an emotional responce to my company policy. There's at least three insults in your post. Maybe it's you who should take an ethics review?

OK. True enough. I was being rude to you. But then, considering the original request wasn't aimed at you in the first place, why go out of your way to say you won't help "one of countless wannabies" (seems insulting no?). you could just not answer. After all there are hundreds of readers for every poster. Going out of your way to say you won't help on a forum that - in part - has defined itself organically as a mutually supportive community for professionals and non pros alike seems, well, rude.

I think that deserves at least three insults. More possibly. Yep. Certainly more. But actually, as to ethics, flame wars like this are tedious to other users so apologies for all other for that. And being more positive: Distant.star did a better job of answering - well said, that poster.
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2013, 08:58:51 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Why are you participating in this forum?

I think there are two fundamental reasons to participate here.  One, you have information to share so that others may learn.  Two, you want information so that you may learn.  You refuse to share your putative skill and tallent with others because you want their learning experience to be as difficult as you feel your own was.  Yet you are here to benefit from what others have learned and are willing to share, presumably because makes it easier for you to learn new skills.

I find your attitude appallingly hypocritical. 


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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2013, 09:01:15 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Why teach?

Because life is not a zero sum game? Because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts?

At my age I go to a lot more funerals than weddings. I've noticed the people who are grieved and who are genuinely missed are those who were generous -- with time and talent and love. They were the ones who gave back to their communities, and the photographic community is a community. Those who come here to learn are to be applauded, not considered leeches.

You might do well to sit down this evening and read a little story by Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol. He wrote it so people might understand the joy of giving to one another. It's available free in e-reader editions, but you probably don't want to take it for free so there are versions you can pay for.

The community of people who genuinely care about the art of pictures is small. Those of us who do need to stick together and help one another -- even those too timid to come out and speak openly.

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2013, 10:35:25 AM »
I am an open book where equipement is concearned. Ask anything of me in this genre and I will answer.
Ask anything conearning photography and I will help. But I won't pass on any marketing, promotional material. I don't comment on any commercial or skill set improvement where a professional service is concearned.
In my opinion, weddings should be left to professionals who do them a lot more and have the experiance to handle any situation or weather type and still get top dollar great shots consistently.
Composition or general photo improvement....that's a no too. You will also find that I don't post any of my professional wedding photos on here. I wouldn't dream of doing that to my brides.
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2013, 10:58:58 AM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Why are you participating in this forum?

I think there are two fundamental reasons to participate here.  One, you have information to share so that others may learn.  Two, you want information so that you may learn.  You refuse to share your putative skill and tallent with others because you want their learning experience to be as difficult as you feel your own was.  Yet you are here to benefit from what others have learned and are willing to share, presumably because makes it easier for you to learn new skills.

I find your attitude appallingly hypocritical.

Ah...more name calling, nice. You do have a way with words don't you.

Wedding work crosses the line into professional work and that's why. Ask anything of me in the non professional arena and I will pass on what I can to the best of my ability. Non professional portraiture, open game, kids photos, dog photos, some aspects of landscape work, some comon wildlife. But nothing professional. Ask a professional footballer to teach, he'll pass on a few bits but he's not going to show them everything he knows, life just doesn't work like that. Another example, when ever I ask advice from my lawyer, it costs me.

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2013, 12:07:44 PM »
Sorry but I don't critique photos on open public forums. Why teach the countless wannabies who browse through these pages? Especially for free. My skill and tallent was learned the hard way, by trial and error...but a lot of wannabies want to take quick short cuts and think that a learnt skill can be downloaded and is free. For every poster and replier, there are hundreds of readers.

Why are you participating in this forum?

I think there are two fundamental reasons to participate here.  One, you have information to share so that others may learn.  Two, you want information so that you may learn.  You refuse to share your putative skill and tallent with others because you want their learning experience to be as difficult as you feel your own was.  Yet you are here to benefit from what others have learned and are willing to share, presumably because makes it easier for you to learn new skills.

I find your attitude appallingly hypocritical.

Ah...more name calling, nice. You do have a way with words don't you.

Wedding work crosses the line into professional work and that's why. Ask anything of me in the non professional arena and I will pass on what I can to the best of my ability. Non professional portraiture, open game, kids photos, dog photos, some aspects of landscape work, some comon wildlife. But nothing professional. Ask a professional footballer to teach, he'll pass on a few bits but he's not going to show them everything he knows, life just doesn't work like that. Another example, when ever I ask advice from my lawyer, it costs me.

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2013, 02:13:11 PM »
hey CRF,

I shot a Wedding this Weekend and i was happy with the outcome, but could use some critique on my work. Just trying to get better so good or bad critique welcome.

Shot with a Canon 6D using the 24-105mm and a Sigma 50mm 1.4 lens. was going to rent a 70-200mm but i thought that space would limit the lens. should i have rented it anyways? ive never used a 70-200mm lens.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/x2z2001du/8932298506/#
http://www.flickr.com/photos/x2z2001du/8931676527/#
http://www.flickr.com/photos/x2z2001du/8931665953/#
http://www.flickr.com/photos/x2z2001du/8932373318/#
http://www.flickr.com/photos/x2z2001du/8931706561/#

Loved the first one.
2nd one, I'm not so crazy about. It may just be me, but I prefer the rings pics to be off the hands in a creative manner, up close, full detail.
3rd one I like the shot, but maybe a little too much headroom? I do like the couple in it!!
4th one, like other said, I'd maybe drop it a bit closer.
The last one...nice kiss, but I'd for sure crop out the other cameraman on the right....and maybe in post if you could lose the microphone and stand...?

I've not shot and wedding, just my observations. I've been watching a lot of videos, especially on Creative Live and seeing what people there show for wedding shots and editing...and many of my comments come from that and just what hit me personally about the images.

Looks like it was a nice day!

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2013, 02:24:42 PM »
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In my opinion, weddings should be left to professionals who do them a lot more and have the experiance to handle any situation or weather type and still get top dollar great shots consistently.
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Hey, everyone has to start somewhere.

And if someone is starting out, it is best they have as much info as to what to do as possible so that those early customers have their wedding shots done in a manner they will enjoy. Sure, they're not going to be top $ customers, but anyone like this guy starting out and asking and trying, IS trying to do his best for his customers at this early stage.

Anyone that is trying to learn a new skill, asks others that have more experience. If you don't want to help, fine, but no need to make a big deal out of it. Why even post that if you're not interested in contributing?

Also, you might want to check your spell checker. (experiance ?)

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Re: Wedding pics. need critique
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