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Re: Looking as tall as the Eiffel Tower - best ways to take this pic
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2013, 12:29:36 AM »
1- You need a permit to commercially use public space (much like a cafe for it's terrasse) or you'll be kicked out by cops like the street sellers and their plastic eiffel towers.
2- Parking aint cheap in this neigbourhood so your van will cost or be towed.
3- Copyright protected at night. (light works).

Good luck.

PS: I leave in China and here this practice is very common and tolerated. Discussed with a guy, they still make crappy money, even in very touristic places.

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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 04:59:46 AM »
Djeeez, my second post and I'm helping you set up an empire of evil.

Wtf!?

I'm thinking you'd better lawyer-up - I'm seeing "Midnight Express" here, with extra French and garlic...

Going back to the topic in hand, in the days of film cameras, many EOS cameras had a "DEP" function (my EOS 100 did), that allowed you to select the foreground point you wanted in focus, then the background point, and then the camera would work out the correct aperture to get everything in focus. For some reason, digital cameras don't seem to have this any more.

I've always had in mind that depth of field isn't equal front and back, so picking the mid-point between the two objects isn't the best approach. I think the rule of thumb for DOF was 1/3 in front, 2/3 behind the point of focus, but I may be completely wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 07:50:51 AM »
If I understand correctly, you want both the Eiffel Tower AND your subject in focus?  To do this, you need to do some things to widen your dof to infinity.

There are four main factors that contribute to dof:   (I know many here know this but their are many that don't, so bear with me)

1. The aperture....shoot at f11 rather than f5.6 or f4...this will help widen your dof.

2. Distance to your subject ... The closer you are to the subject, the narrower the dof.  Move further away and your dof will widen.

3. The focal length of your lens...an 85mm lens will have a narrower dof than a 24mm.  So as someone else said, shoot wide to increase your dof.   24mm or wider in this case.

4. Your sensor size...a full frame sensor will give you a narrower dof compared to a crop sensor.

So for the tower shot, shoot at f11 and use a 24mm lens...this your starting point.    Then, just understand that the closer you get to the subject, the narrower your dof will become and the more likely the tower will be out of focus.   The problem, is that to get the "Godzilla" effect as you describe, you need to be close to the subject, so that they appear to be as big or bigger than the tower, but of course getting closer means the dof will narrow...there is the challenge....the solution is simply f11 or smaller and 24mm or wider

Omar...as someone else posted, spend 5 minutes playing around with the settings on the following website and you'll learn a lot about the 4 factors that control dof....important stuff.

 http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 08:10:26 AM »
If I understand correctly, you want both the Eiffel Tower AND your subject in focus?  To do this, you need to do some things to widen your dof to infinity.

There are four main factors that contribute to dof:   (I know many here know this but their are many that don't, so bear with me)

1. The aperture....shoot at f11 rather than f5.6 or f4...this will help widen your dof.

2. Distance to your subject ... The closer you are to the subject, the narrower the dof.  Move further away and your dof will widen.

3. The focal length of your lens...an 85mm lens will have a narrower dof than a 24mm.  So as someone else said, shoot wide to increase your dof.   24mm or wider in this case.

4. Your sensor size...a full frame sensor will give you a wider dof compared to a crop sensor.

So for the tower shot, shoot at f11 and use a 24mm lens...this your starting point.    Then, just understand that the closer you get to the subject, the narrower your dof will become, and the more likely the tower will be out of focus.   The problem, is that to get the "Godzilla" effect as you describe, you need to be close to the subject, so that they appear to be as big or bigger than the tower..... This is why you need to shoot at 24mm or wider 

Omar...as someone else posted, spend 5 minutes playing around with the settings on the following website and you'll learn a lot about the 4 factors that control dof....important stuff.

 http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

Point 3 is arguable, if you maintain subject size dof remains constant between focal lengths.

Point 4 reads incorrectly. A smaller sensor gives more dof. These kinds of forced perspective images are very easy with camera phones and P&S's because they have such small sensors and subsequent massive dof.

Look up forced perspective and use a small sensor at f5.6 or f8, P&S's often max out at f8 anyway.
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Re: Looking as tall as the Eiffel Tower - best ways to take this pic
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 08:22:31 AM »
If you're looking to get both the foreground and background in focus then use image stacking.

You can cheat a little with a small sensor camera but if I was shooting it with medium format then stacking is the only way.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 08:36:57 AM »
If I understand correctly, you want both the Eiffel Tower AND your subject in focus?  To do this, you need to do some things to widen your dof to infinity.

There are four main factors that contribute to dof:   (I know many here know this but their are many that don't, so bear with me)

1. The aperture....shoot at f11 rather than f5.6 or f4...this will help widen your dof.

2. Distance to your subject ... The closer you are to the subject, the narrower the dof.  Move further away and your dof will widen.

3. The focal length of your lens...an 85mm lens will have a narrower dof than a 24mm.  So as someone else said, shoot wide to increase your dof.   24mm or wider in this case.

4. Your sensor size...a full frame sensor will give you a narrower dof compared to a crop sensor.

So for the tower shot, shoot at f11 and use a 24mm lens...this your starting point.    Then, just understand that the closer you get to the subject, the narrower your dof will become, and the more likely the tower will be out of focus.   The problem, is that to get the "Godzilla" effect as you describe, you need to be close to the subject, so that they appear to be as big or bigger than the tower..... This is why you need to shoot at 24mm or wider 

Omar...as someone else posted, spend 5 minutes playing around with the settings on the following website and you'll learn a lot about the 4 factors that control dof....important stuff.

 http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

Point 3 is arguable, if you maintain subject size dof remains constant between focal lengths.

Point 4 reads incorrectly. A smaller sensor gives more dof. These kinds of forced perspective images are very easy with camera phones and P&S's because they have such small sensors and subsequent massive dof.

Look up forced perspective and use a small sensor at f5.6 or f8, P&S's often max out at f8 anyway.


Pbd..you are correct on point 4, I wrote it wrong...I've edited it now.
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