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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2013, 06:17:27 PM »
Hybrid IS, sharp MTF, small size, and close MFD/Macro mode make this a tempting lens if it gets down to a reasonable price point (for me it would be $850-$900).  Bonus points if it doesn't distort on the wide end.

Seems it would make an awesome club photography lens to mix flash and long exposure ambient, having the IS to be able to hold the background still for a while.

It could be a harbinger of higher resolution sensors in the future - the resolving power of the 24-105 is not up there with the 24-70s or the 70-200s.

That said, it is still an awesome lens, and existing copies may well appreciate in value if it is discontinued.
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 06:21:17 PM »
I'm glad I got the 24-105L with my 6D. I too like the extra reach.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 06:43:10 PM »
Hybrid IS, sharp MTF, small size, and close MFD/Macro mode make this a tempting lens if it gets down to a reasonable price point (for me it would be $850-$900).  Bonus points if it doesn't distort on the wide end.

Seems it would make an awesome club photography lens to mix flash and long exposure ambient, having the IS to be able to hold the background still for a while.

I used both lenses and in my experience sharpness differences are very marginal (as you can see from Canon official MTF too) distortion at 24mm is still high and IS is not better than the 24-105 one. The only real advantages of the 24-70/4 are the smaller size, the lighter weight and most of all the shortest MFD, but they can't compensate, in my opinion, the shortest focal range and the much higher price. At first, I even thought I had a defective copy, but as you can see from online tests my impressions are widely confirmed...

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 06:46:22 PM »
I love my 24-105L, it's a great walk around lens, and gives me a lot of flexibility.  I'd really hate to be stuck at 70mm on the long side, especially since I bought a 6D.  I haven't used the 24-70, but can't imagine the image upgrade would be enough to make me want to give up 70-105 coverage and have to lug around a second lens.

I took test shots with the 24-70 at the store...and in short, compared to the 24-105, while I do see improvement at 24mm, it has a noticeable weak spot- right at 50mm. You give, you take as well...

If it delivered the performance of the 2.8 II version with one less stop and a lower price, that would be super appealing and a reason to choose it over the 24-105. Unfortunately, it cannot match. The only extra thing it offers is the "gimmick" macro mode...

I guess it depends on your style of photography...but as far as travel flexibility goes, I can't think of a better "compromise" package than the 24-105.
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2013, 07:10:57 PM »
Maybe they're just not selling enough of them since there's no significant benefit over the 24-105, and they feel throwing them in kits is a good way to get rid of them ;-)
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2013, 08:05:57 PM »
I still don't get the point of the 24-70 f4 lens.  It's more expensive than the 24-105, has less focal length range, and is comparable in optical quality.  Why?  Just why?   If you want noticeably better optical quality, then go for the 24-70 f2.8.  Otherwise, you're better off with the 24-105 for less money.

If you're right and Canon is going to discontinue the 24-105, then will they bring something to replace it or do they want to force users to a smaller focal length range so that users spend even more money to add a 70-200 version to make up for it?

Because it's not comparable in optical quality. Word is it is definitely better.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2013, 08:07:25 PM »
But, most of all, who the hell and why bought the 24-70/4, seeing the 24-105 is still out!?!?

Those who don't want crappy wide end performance on FF??

(I got the 24-70 II 2.8, but I can see people going for 24-70 f/4 IS.)

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2013, 08:26:00 PM »
But, most of all, who the hell and why bought the 24-70/4, seeing the 24-105 is still out!?!?
Those who don't want crappy wide end performance on FF??

In my opinion, if you consider "crappy" the performances of the 24-105, you need at least a 24-70/2,8 II to see a real difference. But distortion at 24mm is evident anyway, so if you need a good 24mm the only reasonable choices are the primes. I can't consider the 24-70/4 anything but useless. Unless weight, dimensions and MFD are crucial.
Anyway, I have to say that I work 99% of the times in the video field, where resolution differences are less evident, I never used the 24-70/4 for pictures, so maybe I'm missing something...

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2013, 08:33:27 PM »
I can also see this being appealing to video shooters like myself too. Where the fact that the lens is f4 doesnt really matter when shooting interviews with a swaying subject, more likely you are sitting at f8 anyhow to not have to continually pull focus.

Sure the loss of the 105 end will be missed, but when you have a lens case full of cine primes and just need to shoot that handheld shot from within a car at 35mm the IS in this lens would be handy, also the macro for face and eye ECU.

As for people that are complaining that they will lose too much as a "walk around lens", take a look at your pictures you have taken. What was the main focal length you shot at? and if you are walking cant you just take a step or two forward? (i understand not always possible)

Im also waiting for Canon to announce something like a "twin lens kit" with this and the 70-200 f4 IS bundled with a 6D for the advanced hobbyist (or first timer with more money than skill).
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2013, 08:43:06 PM »
I bought my 6D with the 24-70 kit lens in Feb. here in Canada and I don't regret it.  The macro is so quick and easy to use and is great for a holiday person who likes to get shots of small things and I love the lens.  F4 is fine with the high ISO of the 6D.  The macro mode is a gimmick just like WiFi.  ;)

When I read all the pro reviews on the 6D back then it was all negative.  Then I started reading reviews from owners and it was all positive.  Pretty obvious what is going on isn't it.

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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2013, 09:33:51 PM »
the resolving power of the 24-105 is not up there with the 24-70s or the 70-200s.

All the comparisons between the 24-105 and 24-70 f/4.0 show they are very similar in IQ.  About the only advantage the 24-70 f/4.0 brings to the table is its near macro capabilities. 

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=823&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=355&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Canon's pricing of the individual 24-70 f/4.0 lenses makes the venerable 24-105 look good by comparison. 
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2013, 09:38:09 PM »
Those who don't want crappy wide end performance on FF??
(I got the 24-70 II 2.8, but I can see people going for 24-70 f/4 IS.)

If the 24-105 has "crappy" wide end performance, so does the 24-70 f/4.0, they are very similar optically. 

Your 24-70 2.8 II of course puts both to shame!
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2013, 09:59:44 PM »
But, most of all, who the hell and why bought the 24-70/4, seeing the 24-105 is still out!?!?

If I have to choose between the 24-70 and 24-105, I'd go for the former ... but only after its price drops below $1K.
To me, the current premium for the 24-70 is totally unjustified.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2013, 10:50:43 PM »
The 6D with 24-70 F4L IS is sold here in Japan as a kit for a quite a while already, side by side with the 24-105 kit.

There is no 5D MkIII with 24-70 kit at the moment though, only with 24-105.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2013, 11:06:57 PM »
The 6D with 24-70 F4L IS is sold here in Japan as a kit for a quite a while already, side by side with the 24-105 kit.

There is no 5D MkIII with 24-70 kit at the moment though, only with 24-105.

Yeah and Yodobashi is filled with both the 24-70 and 24-105 for trying out, the 24-105 is shown on a 1DX as well. It seems logical to discontinue that lens but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere yet

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