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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2013, 07:42:50 PM »
Just for some clarification, 399 Euros = $528. Just sayin'...

Just for some additional clarification, that may be how a currency converter works, but that's not how Canon's global pricing works.  It's very common for a lens to have the same numerical value list price in $ and €.
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2013, 07:52:04 PM »
Don't know if this was mentioned previously, but I just saw this minor detail in DPreview's preview of the lens:

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We're told the lens isn't going to be available in the USA, at least for now.

For those of us "stateside", I hope at least the firmware will be offered. The lens I don't mind so much.

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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2013, 08:01:15 PM »
Just for some clarification, 399 Euros = $528. Just sayin'...

Just for some additional clarification, that may be how a currency converter works, but that's not how Canon's global pricing works.  It's very common for a lens to have the same numerical value list price in $ and €.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2013, 08:23:10 PM »
Just for some clarification, 399 Euros = $528. Just sayin'...

Just for some additional clarification, that may be how a currency converter works, but that's not how Canon's global pricing works.  It's very common for a lens to have the same numerical value list price in $ and €.

Bummer for Europe. Is that including or before VAT?

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2013, 02:51:10 AM »
Just for some clarification, 399 Euros = $528. Just sayin'...

Just for some additional clarification, that may be how a currency converter works, but that's not how Canon's global pricing works.  It's very common for a lens to have the same numerical value list price in $ and €.

Bummer for Europe. Is that including or before VAT?

If it's anything like product anouncements from other companies, that should include VAT already.

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« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2013, 03:06:52 AM »
Bummer for Europe. Is that including or before VAT?


Yes. "Recommended Retail Prices" must be quoted inclusive of VAT [~ "Sales Tax"] in EU-countries.
Applicable VAT standard rates as of May 2013 are between 15% (Luxembourg) and 27% (Hungary) depending on country. Typical rates are in the 20-22% range.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf


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« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2013, 03:35:36 AM »
Uk equivalent likely to be $625us.

Or more like $400 if you are prepared to wait a few days and buy from somebody like DigitalRev.

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Re: Can't shoot the world at 4.5-5.6....
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2013, 06:00:36 AM »
You can't really shoot the world at 4.5-5.6... Maybe during the day.
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This is why I'll stick with my 11-16 f2.8.

That said: the 10-22, Sigmas 8-16 & 10-20 and 12-24 all have medium and variable apertures (I know there is the f3.5 version of the 10-20, but anyway..) so Canon are really no worse off than the competition, in price or spec.

or with tripod (or mini-pod or gorrilla pod) unless you're shooting moving things which I think isn't the primary intention of the 11-22 and of EOS-M given its crappy AF.

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« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2013, 06:11:59 AM »

or with tripod (or mini-pod or gorrilla pod) unless you're shooting moving things which I think isn't the primary intention of the 11-22 and of EOS-M given its crappy AF.

Sorry, you've lost me.  I'd use the tokina for it's wider aperture and greater flexibility over exposure (handy for fixed shutter video) I use a tripod or support almost always, for stills and for video, and I'd use them no matter the lens.

EOS M AF isn't all that crappy if you set it up properly and understand how AF works.  For video I wouldn't use AF ever.  The massive depth of field of UWA lenses is mitigating.  You could probably set half hyperfocal, certainly towards the 11mm end, and get away with it if your subjects more than a couple of meters from your lens.


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« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2013, 07:02:10 AM »
its obvious canon doesn't want to hit the market of mirrorless making making a very late entry and making such toys.

Sony NEX 10-18 F4 225 gram
Canon 11-22mm F4-5.6 220 gram


alright the canon might be cheaper, but the sony is better and you pay what you get.!

Sony nex is the king of mirroless, PLUS sony nex can take EF lenses with a converter and support AF!!

So i wouldn't bother with any canon eos-m stuff.

The ef-m 22mm 2.0 is interesting though, i wish there would be an EF version as well! Pancakes are useful. Toys are not.

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« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2013, 07:11:42 AM »

alright the canon might be cheaper, but the sony is better and you pay what you get.!

Sony nex is the king of mirroless, PLUS sony nex can take EF lenses with a converter and support AF!!

So i wouldn't bother with any canon eos-m stuff.

The ef-m 22mm 2.0 is interesting though, i wish there would be an EF version as well! Pancakes are useful. Toys are not.

Can you give me a link to your lens charts, or real world examples comparing the the Sony 10-18 and the Canon 11-28?  Interested to know how you reach your definitive conclusion about the canon lens that I thought had only just been announced.

Sony N cameras are a more mature product, the M is generation 1.  You might not like the specific M camera, but to write it off as a toy, is in my opinion, short of the mark.

I remember folk knocking Canon for being slow to launch an AF camera.  25 years on, here we all are, they held off and got it right and led the market for most of those 25 years.

The thing that would put me off the Sony N series is the coalition between Sony and Olympus...  will both m43 and N continue to be supported?  With my M I've got the brilliant little pancake, and my EF lenses which I had already and will work on any EOS camera, even if they stop making the M.

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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2013, 09:09:01 AM »
Sony NEX 10-18 F4 225 gram
Canon 11-22mm F4-5.6 220 gram

alright the canon might be cheaper, but the sony is better and you pay what you get.!


Can you give me a link to your lens charts, or real world examples comparing the the Sony 10-18 and the Canon 11-28?  Interested to know how you reach your definitive conclusion about the canon lens that I thought had only just been announced.

+1.  Pretty assinine to make a pronouncement like that with no supporting data. 

Here are the MTF curves...

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2013, 09:30:02 AM »
that 11-22 MTF chart indeed looks a lot better than the EF-S 10-22 ... http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/tech/report/200501/200501-02.html

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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2013, 09:49:53 AM »
Would be nice if Canon makes some 11mm f2.8 or f4 in pancake style.

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« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2013, 05:47:35 PM »
Would be nice if Canon makes some 11mm f2.8 or f4 in pancake style.

Small body goes with small len ::)
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