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EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« on: June 06, 2013, 04:10:34 AM »
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/06/06/canon-announces-ef-m-11-22mm-f4-5-6-is-stm-image-stabilised-wide-angle-zoom-for-eos-m
Yes it's small. And it has IS. And list price is 399,- USD.
But it's not constant aperture f/4.
It is not as wide, not as bright but same weight and not a lot smaller than Sony NEX 10-18/4.0
* Canon 11-22mm F4-5.6 220 gram 61 x 58 mm (D)
* Sony NEX 10-18 F4 225 gram 70 x 63.5 mm (D)

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-efm-11-22-4-5p6-is-stm
"Canon is making grand claims for the 11-22mm's optical quality, and saying that its 12 element / 9 group design will offer significantly better image quality than the (already well-regarded) EF-S 10-22mm."

Wait and see ... IF true, it demonstrates that Canon can make and sell an excellent APS-C UWA-Zoom including  IS for a list price of € 399. And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are. 

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 05:08:52 AM »
...And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are.

Or a lack of understanding of lens design by people with that opinion...  :P  Small image circle + less retro focus in the design because of the shorter flange distance means a cheaper lens (the latter is why the EF 50/1.8 is so much cheaper than the EF 35/2). 

Although Canon could also be taking a loss leader approach to get people to but into the M system (possible but not likely, I'd say).
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 05:25:50 AM »
Build quality of 35 vs 50 is also a factor.

Decent pricing for the M UWA.  I'll stick with my 11-16 though as I need the f2.8.  And besides, the second you put any zoom lens on any mirrorless camera, you've lost the primary advantage of mirrorless systems.  Canon are taking the rip a bit of late, the pricing of the IS versions of the venerable 24 2.8 and 28 2.8 are a point in case.

At least M isn't dead.  As many have wrongly predicted.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 05:31:12 AM »
Build quality of 35 vs 50 is also a factor.

Actually, I was referring to the EF 50/1.8, not the more cheaply built 50/1.8 II.  The former was equivalent in build to the 35/2 (metal mount, etc.), and cost close to 50% less.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 05:53:46 AM »
Build quality of 35 vs 50 is also a factor.

Actually, I was referring to the EF 50/1.8, not the more cheaply built 50/1.8 II.  The former was equivalent in build to the 35/2 (metal mount, etc.), and cost close to 50% less.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 06:11:28 AM »
Build quality of 35 vs 50 is also a factor.

Actually, I was referring to the EF 50/1.8, not the more cheaply built 50/1.8 II.  The former was equivalent in build to the 35/2 (metal mount, etc.), and cost close to 50% less.

I stand corrected, I think.  Curious though, given that they haven't made the mark I 50mm f1.8 in over 22 years.

Actually the 50mm f1.8 mk1 and 35mm f2.0 were only produced concurrently for around 2 months, October to December 1990, when the 50mm f1.8 II was launched.

Maybe it was this small detail and your use of the present tense when you said "...the latter is why the EF 50/1.8 is so much cheaper than the EF 35/2.." that made me think you were talking about the present version of the 50mm f1.8. 

Actually, you would have been clearer writing "...the latter was why the EF 50/1.8 was so much cheaper than the EF 35/2.."

But I apologise in any case.

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2013, 06:40:12 AM »
...And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are.

Or a lack of understanding of lens design by people with that opinion...  :P  Small image circle + less retro focus in the design because of the shorter flange distance means a cheaper lens (the latter is why the EF 50/1.8 is so much cheaper than the EF 35/2). 

If they wanted, Canon could sell M-pancakes at prices very similar to the ultra-compact FF-capable EF 40/2.8 pancake - with excellent IQ and "good enough for me" build quality - and still make tons of money. 

And for € 399 they could just as well have built an EF-M 11-22 IS with a constant f/4 aperture. All the difference would have been a slightly larger front element and a 62 filter thread instead of 55.

But lets wait what image quality the 11-22 will really deliver. And as long as there is no adequately performing EOS-M body, I am not interested anyways.  :P
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 07:22:28 AM »
...And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are.

Or a lack of understanding of lens design by people with that opinion...  :P  Small image circle + less retro focus in the design because of the shorter flange distance means a cheaper lens (the latter is why the EF 50/1.8 is so much cheaper than the EF 35/2). 

If they wanted, Canon could sell M-pancakes at prices very similar to the ultra-compact FF-capable EF 40/2.8 pancake - with excellent IQ and "good enough for me" build quality - and still make tons of money. 

And for € 399 they could just as well have built an EF-M 11-22 IS with a constant f/4 aperture. All the difference would have been a slightly larger front element and a 62 filter thread instead of 55.

But lets wait what image quality the 11-22 will really deliver. And as long as there is no adequately performing EOS-M body, I am not interested anyways.  :P

If they wanted, Canon could sell the EF 600mm f/4L IS II at prices very similar to the ultra-compact FF-capable EF 40/2.8 pancake. Or they could sell actual pancakes made from batter for thousands of dollars. If they wanted. Whatever.  They're going to charge what they think the market will bear, and if you don't like the price, don't buy it. Oh wait you're not interested, so why do you even care?
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2013, 07:57:30 AM »
Lookign forward to seeing some reviews of this lens... if it is as good or better than the 10-22, combined with the 2.3x AF increase in the M certainly makes an appealing combo.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 07:59:32 AM »
If they wanted, Canon could sell M-pancakes at prices very similar to the ultra-compact FF-capable EF 40/2.8 pancake - with excellent IQ and "good enough for me" build quality - and still make tons of money. 

And for € 399 they could just as well have built an EF-M 11-22 IS with a constant f/4 aperture. All the difference would have been a slightly larger front element and a 62 filter thread instead of 55.

But lets wait what image quality the 11-22 will really deliver. And as long as there is no adequately performing EOS-M body, I am not interested anyways.  :P

And a 62mm front element would have retracted into the barrel how?  If they make the barrel wider and longer, then it has little advantage over EF-S/EF designs.  Canon favored compactness for this design, and I think it's right for the target market.  What would a constant f/4 do for you?  3 stops of IS will more than offset the decreased shutter speed, and if you need shallower DOF, then the lenses are a lot bigger (i.e. Tokina 11-16), and your better off using FF anyway.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 08:34:16 AM »
ok maybe it's just me but doesn't this lens look like it's straight out of the Sigma 'art' design look.... very nice

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 10:06:00 AM »
As always when Canon release anything, the naysayers get another chance to vent their spleens! There are some great lines going around at the moment:

"But it's not constant aperture f/4. It is not as wide, not as bright but same weight and not a lot smaller than Sony NEX 10-18/4.0"

Are we also neglecting to mention that it is nearly half the price?  Oh no.. Wait.. You're not:

"...it demonstrates that Canon can make and sell an excellent APS-C UWA-Zoom including  IS for a list price of € 399. And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are."

Talk about difficult to please, how about if Canon gave you one for free? I bet you'd still find something to moan about. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 10:52:07 AM »
You can't really shoot the world at 4.5-5.6... Maybe during the day.
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Can't shoot the world at 4.5-5.6....
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 10:57:46 AM »
You can't really shoot the world at 4.5-5.6... Maybe during the day.
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This is why I'll stick with my 11-16 f2.8.

That said: the 10-22, Sigmas 8-16 & 10-20 and 12-24 all have medium and variable apertures (I know there is the f3.5 version of the 10-20, but anyway..) so Canon are really no worse off than the competition, in price or spec.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 11:05:35 AM »
i like this. if the image quality is really on par with the 10-22 ef-s than this is a real winner at 400 bucks and a lot smaller. with the 2.3 faster AF potentially coming, the M series is starting to sound a lot more tempting. I just wish Canon would just make a full frame eos-M.
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