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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 11:11:37 AM »
i like this. if the image quality is really on par with the 10-22 ef-s than this is a real winner at 400 bucks and a lot smaller. with the 2.3 faster AF potentially coming, the M series is starting to sound a lot more tempting.
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I just wish Canon would just make a full frame eos-M.
I think we will see full frame mirror less cameras within a year or 2 at most ... just my gut feeling.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 11:11:37 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 11:29:30 AM »
You can't really shoot the world at 4.5-5.6... Maybe during the day.
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It is aimed at landscape photographers.  IS helps with getting additional light especially if it is 4 stops on a light kit.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 11:40:08 AM »
We only had three days advance notice of this via rumor.   It looks like Canon is getting better at keeping secrets. 

This lens looks like a nice step forward in building an M- ecosystem.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 11:41:12 AM »
Old IS debate.

But it doesn't stop subject motion or even camera shake blur at very slow shutters.  So 4 stops on an effective 16mm lens.  Think you'll get sharp shots at 10mm and 1s handheld?

Theoretically possible using the 1/focal length rule with 4 stops applied.

I don't like IS much.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 12:17:14 PM »
I'm a bit skeptical that the traditional 1/focal length rule applies to these mirrorless cameras with no viewfinder.  I know that when I try to use live view on any of my DSLRs handheld I lose a 'stop' or two of stability due to the loss of the third contact point at the viewfinder.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 12:42:26 PM »
I think we will see full frame mirror less cameras within a year or 2 at most ... just my gut feeling.

Not in a compact format like the EOS-M you won't - maybe a full sized DSLR style mirrorless, but there would need to be another full range of EF lenses to make a EOS-M as a full frame because of the flange distance issues.
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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 01:34:10 PM »
I think we will see full frame mirror less cameras within a year or 2 at most ... just my gut feeling.

Not in a compact format like the EOS-M you won't - maybe a full sized DSLR style mirrorless, but there would need to be another full range of EF lenses to make a EOS-M as a full frame because of the flange distance issues.

+1.  If the M is any indication, the transition from EF to EF mirrorless will take years.

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 03:18:41 PM »
Seems good lens, but I would be really happy with 12 2.8 + 22 2 + 100 2 combination for this system.

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 04:49:08 PM »
Seems good lens, but I would be really happy with 12 2.8 + 22 2 + 100 2 combination for this system.

I wish manufacturers would do this.  Keep em prime, keep em compact.

A collapsable 50 or 60 would actually do me over a 100 (although 100 f2 is lovely on my aps-c slrs)

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 04:51:51 PM »
What Canon may be saying by releasing this lens alone is that the rumored new EOS-M body is no where in sight.  Otherwise, if it was close, I'd expect them to announce at the same time...

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 04:55:40 PM »
Seems good lens, but I would be really happy with 12 2.8 + 22 2 + 100 2 combination for this system.

I wish manufacturers would do this.  Keep em prime, keep em compact.

A collapsable 50 or 60 would actually do me over a 100 (although 100 f2 is lovely on my aps-c slrs)

YES!

Canon, give me an EOS-M body with a built-in EVF and give me selection of primes!

I'd love to see something like a 10mm f/2.8 IS...

Also, for those decrying IS on a wide-angle.  This is a godsend for those of us that dabble in video and aren't always able to use a tripod/afford-advanced-stabilization.  And who wouldn't want to to get some creamy waterfall shots without having to use a tripod? ;0

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Re: EF-M 11-22 / 4-5.6 IS STM - officially announced
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2013, 04:56:34 PM »
I find three things very interesting and enticing about this new lens:

1) The size
2) The very reasonable price (a fraction of the cost of 10-22mm or 17-40mm)
3) The [seemingly] good build quality, this stuck out to me especially (courtesy of DP Review, http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-efm-11-22-4-5p6-is-stm/2):

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The 11-22mm bears more than a passing resemblance to Canon's EF-M 18-55mm kit zoom, and shares all of the same design cues. So the entire 'skin' of the barrel is made of metal, including the zoom and focus rings which have finely-patterned grips. The mount is metal, and the extending portion of the barrel is plastic. Both zoom and focus rings operate satisfyingly smoothly - the overall impression is of a nicely-made product.

All the EF-M lenses so far have a metal barrel and metal mount, this seems to indicate that Canon will not be producing cheaply-made lenses for this camera system.  And the prices for these lenses are very reasonable.  Bravo, Canon, bravo.

Now let's all discuss what Canon will do to fill the following segments in EF-M mount:
- Telephoto zoom
- 'Fast 50' (or fast 35, as the case may be)
- Macro
- Fisheye
- TS-M Tilt-shift (although I'm not sure the flange distance would work, nor would Canon want to step on the toes of their $1200-2500 line of TS-E lenses)

If Canon produces a fisheye and fast 35mm for the EF-M mount before the EF-S mount, that will speak volumes for its support of the mirrorless format and market.  What will also speak volumes are the huge numbers of APS-C DSLR owners that have patiently waited for the same thing for their mount since it was created nearly a decade ago (March 2003).
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »
Can't really see the specials being brought to market by Canon, what I can imagine though, are a fast normal prime something in the 35-40mm region with f1.4 glass, a telephoto 55-150mm perhaps, plus a do it all 18-100mm perhaps.  I'm hopeful that Lensbaby bring out a mount, that will feed a small niche market of selective focus, fisheye and perhaps even follow the micro 4/3rds example of tilt shift !

Other than that, I eventually see a three body lineup, entry (plastic body), mid (where the EOS-M is now) and higher end (slightly bigger body, evf, perhaps even tilt screen and built in wifi/gps. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2013, 06:17:00 PM »


Also, for those decrying IS on a wide-angle.  This is a godsend for those of us that dabble in video and aren't always able to use a tripod/afford-advanced-stabilization.  And who wouldn't want to to get some creamy waterfall shots without having to use a tripod? ;0

Em, that would be me then.

I shoot video professionally, and I always use a camera support of some description, these vary depending on the shoot circumstances, some of solutions are 'pricey' like a dedicated video tripod, some are simple and portable and inexpensive, like a monopod or superclamp, for run and gun the cvp sm-1 is proving a minor hit with me, although you'll need a camera with a flip out screen to make the most use of it, and this is very modestly priced.  I've always meant to buy a 'pod', you know the bean bag with the tripod screw, and these cost around £8.

IS looks great on the screen because the screen is small.  But it can induce sea sickness on a large screen as the frame drifts.  Support means supported movements as well as just anti-shake, and unsupported movements (as you get with IS) are often as amateurish looking as wobbly footage.

Each to their own, of course, I've detailed what works for me, and IS just doesn't.  Or at least, isn't worth the extra cash when I'm already supporting my kit in other ways (which don't always play nice with IS)

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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2013, 07:33:55 PM »
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/06/06/canon-announces-ef-m-11-22mm-f4-5-6-is-stm-image-stabilised-wide-angle-zoom-for-eos-m
Yes it's small. And it has IS. And list price is 399,- USD(Nope)
But it's not constant aperture f/4.
It is not as wide, not as bright but same weight and not a lot smaller than Sony NEX 10-18/4.0
* Canon 11-22mm F4-5.6 220 gram 61 x 58 mm (D)
* Sony NEX 10-18 F4 225 gram 70 x 63.5 mm (D)

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-efm-11-22-4-5p6-is-stm
"Canon is making grand claims for the 11-22mm's optical quality, and saying that its 12 element / 9 group design will offer significantly better image quality than the (already well-regarded) EF-S 10-22mm."

Wait and see ... IF true, it demonstrates that Canon can make and sell an excellent APS-C UWA-Zoom including  IS for a list price of € 399. And how grossly overpriced most of Canon's EF-S and EF lenses really are.

Just for some clarification, 399 Euros = $528. Just sayin'...

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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2013, 07:33:55 PM »