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Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« on: June 06, 2013, 10:41:02 AM »
I went FF a few months ago, and I keep running into all the small things that have changed (mostly for the positive). Nonetheless, now my trusty B+W F-Pro c-pol is vignetting on my 24-105mm at 24mm even if the lens is stopped down.

I saw some old postings on going for the XS-Pro mount instead. For those experienced using B+W c-pols, would the B+W XS-Pro Kaesemann Circular Polarizer with Multi-Resistant Nano Coating work the best? Is there a slim version of this filter that I should get instead (I don't usually stack filters)?

Thanks for the help, as I'm already a bit pissed at myself for having to buy this kind of filter twice.
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Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 11:39:11 AM »
Get the XS-Pro CPL.  Your F-Pro CPL is 7mm thick, the Slim version is 5mm thick, and the XS-Pro version is only 4mm thick.
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 11:57:54 AM »
Get the XS-Pro CPL.  Your F-Pro CPL is 7mm thick, the Slim version is 5mm thick, and the XS-Pro version is only 4mm thick.

Thanks a lot, Neuro, this is precisely the info I was looking for!
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 12:41:31 PM »
Get the XS-Pro CPL.  Your F-Pro CPL is 7mm thick, the Slim version is 5mm thick, and the XS-Pro version is only 4mm thick.
Excellent information neuro, I had always assumed that the slim was the thinnest due to the use of the slip-on cap, and the XS Pro had to be thicker due to the front filter threads.  This might change my decision when I go to buy a CPL, ND, or any other filter that will just be used occasionally.  Do you know if this holds true for all sizes, or just the 77mm?
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 12:44:25 PM »
True for all sizes.  Those thicknesses apply only to the CPL's, though.  For other filters, the XS-Pro is slightly thicker than the Slim.  Here are the numbers...
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 10:15:31 AM »
Thanks for the info, neuro. I was moments away from ordering the B+W Kaesemann CPL when I say this thread. Now, I want to make sure I get the right one.

I'll be using this new CPL on my 24-105mm as well as my 17-40mm. Does the base Kaesemann model use the F-PRO mount and therefore cause vignetting as well? Should I spend the extra $50 on the XS-PRO version?

77mm B+W Kaesemann CPL
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/10889-REG/B_W_66_045620_77mm_Kaeseman_Circular_Polarizing.html

77mm B+W Kaesemann XS-Pro Nano CPL
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752975-REG/B_W_1066400_77mm_XS_Pro_Digital_MC.html

EDIT: I think I found my answer on the B+W website. The base Kaesemann (first link above) does indeed use the thicker F-Pro mount. But, I also found several forum posts of people using it on a 17-40mm without any vignetting (at 17mm).
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 08:34:49 AM »
Just checking, that you are stacking filters.   That can cause vignetting

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 08:36:22 AM »
True for all sizes.  Those thicknesses apply only to the CPL's, though.  For other filters, the XS-Pro is slightly thicker than the Slim.  Here are the numbers...

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 08:52:21 AM »
Are you the maven of all things photographic, or just spend time searching data for us?   ;D

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 12:01:05 PM »
Are you the maven of all things photographic, or just spend time searching data for us?   ;D

I have excellent Google-fu, I read a lot, I read fast, and I remember almost all of what I read (and where to find it again).  It's a scientist thing.   ;)

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM »
Are you the maven of all things photographic, or just spend time searching data for us?   ;D

I have excellent Google-fu, I read a lot, I read fast, and I remember almost all of what I read (and where to find it again).  It's a scientist thing.   ;)

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 12:28:32 PM »
Are you the maven of all things photographic, or just spend time searching data for us?   ;D

I have excellent Google-fu, I read a lot, I read fast, and I remember almost all of what I read (and where to find it again).  It's a scientist thing.   ;)

Scientist in what?

more important.. where does he work?
it´s seems he is 24/7 online here.... must be not a very time intensive job.  ;D

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 01:25:10 PM »
Are you the maven of all things photographic, or just spend time searching data for us?   ;D

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 02:36:34 PM »
I went FF a few months ago, and I keep running into all the small things that have changed (mostly for the positive). Nonetheless, now my trusty B+W F-Pro c-pol is vignetting on my 24-105mm at 24mm even if the lens is stopped down.

I saw some old postings on going for the XS-Pro mount instead. For those experienced using B+W c-pols, would the B+W XS-Pro Kaesemann Circular Polarizer with Multi-Resistant Nano Coating work the best? Is there a slim version of this filter that I should get instead (I don't usually stack filters)?

Thanks for the help, as I'm already a bit pissed at myself for having to buy this kind of filter twice.

Interesting. I just tried out my 7 yr old B+W F-Pro 77mm on my new 6D + 24-105 and didn't get any noticeable filter vignetting at 24mm. I saw the expected 2-3 stop vignetting at wide apertures (as on the naked lens), and very slight vignetting at 8-10 (~1 stop), but that's normal at 24mm based on lens reviews I've read. Using the lens corrections in LR eliminates corner vignetting anyway, because the distortion correction at 24mm clips the extreme corners right off, but I didn't really find that necessary for most images.

In my past experience filter vignetting is black and hard, not just 1-2 stops as I experienced. Did you check to make sure the filter was thoroughly screwed in, and that your hood was properly aligned? I wonder if this thicker filter is right on the edge in terms of vignetting, and slight variations in lenses or filter installation make the difference.

I'm sure the XS-Pro Kaesemann is a great filter, but at $160 I think I'll stick with the F-Pro and be prepared to crop a tiny bit if I ever get bit by vignetting.

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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 02:53:53 PM »
The ksm version is also available with xs-pro mount.
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Re: Question on B+W Circular Polarizer
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