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What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« on: June 08, 2013, 12:25:02 AM »
I know there are some significant differences between the 24-70L/70-200L/85L, but price isn't one of them. I'm hoping to gain a little insight from those who have a broader arsenal than I do. The subjects are infant to small groups, like a family of four or five. I don't often shoot super wide or from far away but I don't know if I want to limit myself to 85mm with a lens this expensive, although I'm very comfortable with moving around to frame.

I currently shoot primarily with a 50mm 1.4 and love the image quality, sharpness, and DOF options when shooting. I used to never go below f2.8 but I came away with some great shots last weekend at f2 and they've got me thinking twice about utilizing the shallower DOF. I shoot with a 5D3 and don't care much for IS. The only other lens I have is the "good at everything but great at nothing" 24-105. Although to it's credit, I like the images it captures on the wider end.

Anyways, opinions welcomed. Thank you for your time!
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What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 12:42:20 AM »
I own the Mark II versions for all three lenses.I love them all, but for portraits, get the 70-200mm II first for the most versatility, then the others. Keep in mind while the 85mm f1.2 is hands down amazing, it is a speciality lens, so it's likely you may not use it as much as the 70-200mm.
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2013, 08:36:47 AM »
My concern would be that 70mm isn't wide enough for 'a family of 4-5' for an indoor shoot.  All three are great lenses (I have them all), but for indoor and outdoor group portraits I reach for the 24-70 II...
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2013, 09:35:53 AM »
from a focal range point of view the only lens that adds to what you already mentioned is the 70-200mm.

the 24-70mm would definitely outclass your 24-105 and be much sharper but it wouldn't really offer too much of a new point of view for you. the 85mm from what i have seen is a spectacular lens but i think you can still get a look in a similar ballpark using the 50mm you already have.

the 70-200mm is also a very special lens but it offers great versatility. i would get that one if i were you.

if i were starting from scratch the two lenses i would get first are the 24-70mm and the 70-200mm so that i had a good range across focal lengths with the highest quality available for zoom lenses. i would then start addressing lenses for those special eye catching looks that you can get in fast primes. finally i would get specialty lenses such as a 15mm fisheye or the 100mm macro.

get coverage first then go for "the look" then go specialty. my 2 cents.   
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2013, 09:38:14 AM »
I have both 24-70 II and 70-200 f2.8 IS II and I'm about to check out 85L today. All 3 are wonderful lenses.

For group shots, 24-70 II seems to be a better choice. Single person portrait, 85L II is a winner in term of IQ and size over 70-200.

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2013, 09:44:08 AM »
For portraits get the 70-200 2.8 II IS L, 100 L 2.8 IS Macro, 135 L or 85 L

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 10:06:38 AM »
from a focal range point of view the only lens that adds to what you already mentioned is the 70-200mm.

the 24-70mm would definitely outclass your 24-105 and be much sharper but it wouldn't really offer too much of a new point of view for you. the 85mm from what i have seen is a spectacular lens but i think you can still get a look in a similar ballpark using the 50mm you already have.

the 70-200mm is also a very special lens but it offers great versatility. i would get that one if i were you.

if i were starting from scratch the two lenses i would get first are the 24-70mm and the 70-200mm so that i had a good range across focal lengths with the highest quality available for zoom lenses. i would then start addressing lenses for those special eye catching looks that you can get in fast primes. finally i would get specialty lenses such as a 15mm fisheye or the 100mm macro.

get coverage first then go for "the look" then go specialty. my 2 cents.

I agree with this, I think the 70-200 will open more doors for you first, and if you need wider coverage you can reach for the 24-105 until you've saved up another 2k to upgrade to the 24-70 II.
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2013, 11:28:07 AM »
i actually use the 24-105 f/4 a lot and like it a lot, but i know u have that lens. it u don't own the 70-200 f/2.8 then your choice in my opinion is a no-brainer. get the 70-200

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2013, 11:53:23 AM »
I have both the 24-70 II and the 70-200 II.  I love both lenses, but I reach for the 70-200 II almost every time.  The results are phenomenal.  I am eyeing the 85 for a future purchase, but I don't own one so that should be taken into account. 

Whatever you choose, I'm sure you'll be happy with the results.  I don't see much downside with any of them.

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 02:36:30 PM »
I've been looking through my pictures and I have to say, I am not very happy with the IQ of the 24-105. I suppose that's why I never really use it and depend on my 50 1.4 most of the time. I really don't even want to have to use it. I'm ok with the 24-105 supplementing focal range but honestly, I think it's going to end up getting sold one way or the other. And if I do sell it, I can buy another lens a lot sooner.

Can either of the 2.8 zooms compete with the 50 1.4 in IQ? Are the 2.8 zooms comparable to each other in IQ?

The best zoom I have ever used is the 24-105, so I guess I feel a hint of skepticism regarding their performance versus primes.
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2013, 02:45:58 PM »
I've been looking through my pictures and I have to say, I am not very happy with the IQ of the 24-105. I suppose that's why I never really use it and depend on my 50 1.4 most of the time. I really don't even want to have to use it. I'm ok with the 24-105 supplementing focal range but honestly, I think it's going to end up getting sold one way or the other. And if I do sell it, I can buy another lens a lot sooner.

Can either of the 2.8 zooms compete with the 50 1.4 in IQ? Are the 2.8 zooms comparable to each other in IQ?

The best zoom I have ever used is the 24-105, so I guess I feel a hint of skepticism regarding their performance versus primes.

The 24-70 II destroys any Canon EF 50mm prime at f/2.8 and smaller.

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2013, 04:02:34 PM »
I've been looking through my pictures and I have to say, I am not very happy with the IQ of the 24-105. I suppose that's why I never really use it and depend on my 50 1.4 most of the time. I really don't even want to have to use it. I'm ok with the 24-105 supplementing focal range but honestly, I think it's going to end up getting sold one way or the other. And if I do sell it, I can buy another lens a lot sooner.

Can either of the 2.8 zooms compete with the 50 1.4 in IQ? Are the 2.8 zooms comparable to each other in IQ?

The best zoom I have ever used is the 24-105, so I guess I feel a hint of skepticism regarding their performance versus primes.

The 24-70 II destroys any Canon EF 50mm prime at f/2.8 and smaller.

I wouldn't go quite that far but it is better. The 24-70 II makes most equivalent range primes look a bit stale. Apart from the shallow DOF thing.

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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 04:03:18 PM »
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The best zoom I have ever used is the 24-105, so I guess I feel a hint of skepticism regarding their performance versus primes.

i have always felt this lens was overrated. even the 24-70mm V1 was better than it and anytime i ran across a colleague who had the 24-105 i would let them take the 24-70 for a spin and they always preferred it better.

the new 24-70mm F2.8 seems to be pretty remarkable in its quality. i dont have it yet but i have seen plenty of reviews and shots that support this.

but the 70-200mm F2.8 IS 2 seems to be equally remarkable and again broadens your coverage by quite a bit.

Fast Primes are a different animal....they take more patience to work with. if you don't have them dialed in and you don't shoot appropriately with them wide open they can miss badly. can lead to alot of frustration especially with a subpar focusing system. BUT...when they do hit at F2.0 or wider they are simply stunning.

the 70-200 is easier to work with and can provide that stunning quality even if it is just shy of that 2.0 and wider look.
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
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Re: What Portrait Lens Should I Get Next? 24-70L/70-200L/85L?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 04:06:17 PM »
I've been looking through my pictures and I have to say, I am not very happy with the IQ of the 24-105. I suppose that's why I never really use it and depend on my 50 1.4 most of the time. I really don't even want to have to use it. I'm ok with the 24-105 supplementing focal range but honestly, I think it's going to end up getting sold one way or the other. And if I do sell it, I can buy another lens a lot sooner.

Can either of the 2.8 zooms compete with the 50 1.4 in IQ? Are the 2.8 zooms comparable to each other in IQ?

The best zoom I have ever used is the 24-105, so I guess I feel a hint of skepticism regarding their performance versus primes.

I had never been that interested in the 24-105 and after I used one, I enjoyed the zoom range but I felt the images lacked something special. It is a useful lens but has none of the X factor (tangible or otherwise) of the 24-70 II.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2013, 04:40:22 PM »
Hmmm....you have the 24-105mm which definitely covers your stated needs. I think if you add the 70-200mm you would have a much fuller and versatile kit and could get some nice candids and feature-compressed portraits...that being said..the 85mm delivers some beautifully artful low DOF portraits which can be stunning...but it is slow to focus, so is not very practical with moving children. The 135mm f/2 could fit into you considerations as well because it is a great portrait lens, fast focuser and nice bokeh as well.
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