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WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« on: June 09, 2013, 09:48:30 AM »
Hi CR folks,

My gear is lacking at the wide end. I used to have the 17-40 but sold it off earlier this year with the thoughts of upgrading to the 16-35.

I've tried a few copies of the 16-35 II but have been left unimpressed with the IQ. The upgrade doesn't feel an upgrade to me so I'm looking at the TSE 17mm.

As I already have the 24-70 II, I'm only missing the range between 18-24 which I believe I can crop or zoom with my feet.

Thoughts on this ... downsides besides losing the AF and 2.8 aperture?

Thanks in advance.

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WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 09:55:57 AM »
The bulbous front element of the TS-E 17L needs TLC, and using the TS movements generally means tripod and Live View.  The 16-35 is much more of a 'grab-n-go' lens.
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 11:03:30 AM »
Skip 16-35 II. Nothing special @ f2.8.  I'm thinking 14mm prime, since 95% of my landscape shots @ 16mm.
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 11:44:15 AM »
The bulbous front element of the TS-E 17L needs TLC, and using the TS movements generally means tripod and Live View.  The 16-35 is much more of a 'grab-n-go' lens.

Thanks Neuro.

What do you mean by TLC?

Additionally, how is the IQ of the TSE with a 1.4x extender attached?
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 11:46:58 AM »
Skip 16-35 II. Nothing special @ f2.8.  I'm thinking 14mm prime, since 95% of my landscape shots @ 16mm.

Thanks ... The 14mm prime crossed my mind too. But from what I've heard you can stitch the TSE's images quite well and make it a panoramic shot ... That said, I wouldn't mind a canon 14-24 which is as good as the 24-70 II.
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 11:50:31 AM »
Tender Loving Care.  ;)

Also, no front filter threads on the TS-E 17L.

IQ is very good with the 1.4x - check TDP's ISO 12233 crops.
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 11:54:09 AM »
Tender Loving Care.  ;)

Also, no front filter threads on the TS-E 17L.

IQ is very good with the 1.4x - check TDP's ISO 12233 crops.

Ok :D.

No filter threads is a bummer though. Any workarounds?
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 12:09:15 PM »
Hitech makes an adapter and a WA holder (need bigger filters than 4x6", IIRC).  There are DIY options on google/YouTube.
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 01:07:18 PM »
Hi CR folks,

My gear is lacking at the wide end. I used to have the 17-40 but sold it off earlier this year with the thoughts of upgrading to the 16-35.

I've tried a few copies of the 16-35 II but have been left unimpressed with the IQ. The upgrade doesn't feel an upgrade to me so I'm looking at the TSE 17mm.

As I already have the 24-70 II, I'm only missing the range between 18-24 which I believe I can crop or zoom with my feet.

Thoughts on this ... downsides besides losing the AF and 2.8 aperture?

Welcome to the club of Canon owners that lament the lack of a wide angle zoom that doesn't suck.

Both the 16-35II and 17-40 under perform in about the same way.

Whilst there are ongoing rumors of a 14-24, that'll suffer from the same issue as the 17TSE: bulbous front element requiring lots of TLC and PITA for filter use.

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 03:04:49 PM »
I purchased the TSE 17. My alternate choice was the Zeiss 15mm 2.8. Another option is the Zeiss 18mm 3.5 and the TSE 24. No regrets on the TSE 17. Its great as a grab and go wide angle-works just like the Zeiss products with focus confirmation. And there are always the tilt shift functions for creating unique perspectives.

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 03:23:51 PM »
+1 for the TSE

ist amazingly sharp, has no CA and no distortion. yes ist a worthfull Piece of Equipment, and the lens cap must be attached exept for Shooting. i let the cap hang on the lens, and this way ist ready really fast. For me the gap between 17 and 24 is acceptable, so i Need no WA Zoom. for me the only disadvabtagee of this amazing lens is that its unusable in rain, therefor an umbrella holder is required :)

Shifting Needs mor time, because metering doesnt work, means one has to meter unshifted, go to Manual mode shift and shoot.

tilting is a matter of luck without tripod and live view...

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 03:40:16 PM »
Skip 16-35 II. Nothing special @ f2.8.  I'm thinking 14mm prime, since 95% of my landscape shots @ 16mm.

Thanks ... The 14mm prime crossed my mind too. But from what I've heard you can stitch the TSE's images quite well and make it a panoramic shot ... That said, I wouldn't mind a canon 14-24 which is as good as the 24-70 II.

Count me in for that ;)
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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 04:16:36 PM »
Skip 16-35 II. Nothing special @ f2.8.  I'm thinking 14mm prime, since 95% of my landscape shots @ 16mm.

Thanks ... The 14mm prime crossed my mind too. But from what I've heard you can stitch the TSE's images quite well and make it a panoramic shot ... That said, I wouldn't mind a canon 14-24 which is as good as the 24-70 II.

Count me in for that ;)

I'd prefer a 16-35 or 17-40 that is a close IQ equal to the 24-70ii. When you use the 24-70ii enough it's interesting how you start to take for granted corner to corner sharpness...

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 05:05:27 PM »
Skip 16-35 II. Nothing special @ f2.8.  I'm thinking 14mm prime, since 95% of my landscape shots @ 16mm.

Thanks ... The 14mm prime crossed my mind too. But from what I've heard you can stitch the TSE's images quite well and make it a panoramic shot ... That said, I wouldn't mind a canon 14-24 which is as good as the 24-70 II.

Once you get used to TS-Es, you'll wish that all your lenses had those movements!  But it's manual and you'll have to have a different workflow to get the best out of it.  A lot of people have chimed in that it requires a bit more care because of its convex front element, but care should also be taken with water.  There are hinges and slots for the movements, and they are not sealed.

Shift is easy to do handheld, but controlling the DOF precisely to throw more of the frame in focus will require live view/tripod.  Exposure bracketing and post processing can simulate NDs.  Whereas filters put all the work up front, the TS-17 will require less work up front but more at the backend.  Yes, some filter setups are starting to come out for these lenses, but I'm not keen on carrying a bag of lenses and then another bag for the larger filters.  Some can't be simulated (i.e. polarizer) but some tilt movements can't be simulated in post either.  It's a trade off.

I see more of a difference between AF/MF rather than MF and tilt shift.  If you don't use the TS functions, then you'll essentially have an awesome non-weather resistant MF lens...

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2013, 03:37:37 AM »
Thanks for the replies. I'm going to buy the TS-E 17mm next month.

The only thing that I am left wondering is whether it would be smarter to get a used 17-40 as well for a "grab and go lens" as Neuro mentioned above.

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Re: WA lens advice 16-35 II or the TSE 17
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2013, 03:37:37 AM »