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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2013, 08:04:46 PM »
I think it is reasonable...  but are you really going to get 2200?   maybe 700  for the 24-105, 300  for the 85 &  I'm not sure about the 28mm,  but if you get 400  for that,  the total is 1400.   that leaves you quite short.


 but in terms of image quality, I'd say the 85  is  better for portraits and sharper wide open.   so I would sell off the 50  before the 85.

I am gonna take a totally different advice position ---

Sell the 24-105L a 28mm/1.8, and snag a 16-35mm 2.8!

Between the three that's a lot of coverage.  I do agree  that between the 85 and the 50...the 85 is the one to keep.

While the 24-70 2.8v2 is an amazing lens (I wish I had one!!!), for events and events alone it may be overkill. 

If you want that longer end covered too, snag a 135 f2 (a used 16-35 and a 135 would be close to the same cost as the 24-70v2)...

All the other options brought up here are valid too!!!  Just tossing a different direction out there as food for thought.
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2013, 08:04:46 PM »

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2013, 08:22:24 PM »
I guess the jist of it is. I want to upgrade something in the glass dept. and I have $500 cash and all those lenses.

But I dont want new focal ranges. I'm happy in my focal range zone for now.

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2013, 09:21:37 PM »
I have a a 24-105L a 28mm/1.8 50mm/1.4 and 85mm/1.8
I'm thinking of selling the 24-105, the 28mm and the 85 mm and just buy the 24-702.8II and have the 50 left

I shoot a lot of events and portraits.

I have a 5d Markii

This is exactly what i did and never regretted it…
However, i did keep the 85 but not the canon version, i kept my sigma version because i also do alot of portraits…BUT i must also say…i've not touched the 85 either after i got the 24-70…i thought i needed it but in the end, i realised the 24-70 could do 90% similar..so i didn't bother changing lenses during portrait shoots either.

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2013, 10:00:17 PM »
Interesting discussion...

When I got the 24-70II I thought it would replace my 24-105 and I'd definitely keep the primes. But it's turned out the other way around. The primes have been sold but I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

With my clients, events work is a little less uber-quality driven than other commercial work so the 24-105 is FINE! I've sold my Sigma 50 f/1.4 and my 24 f/1.4II since I got the 24-70II. It's just such a hot lens.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2013, 10:31:35 PM »
It's odd that I've never felt the need to own the 70-200
a lot of event photographers says they need it.
I work all the premier events in NYC and I've NEVER seen it used. Unless it was a fashion show and they were on the rafters.
90% of the other photographers I see (and that's a lot or photographers) carry the big white with them to all jobs and I repeat I have NEVER seen it used.
Just last week I had a discussion about it, I asked the other photographer why he carries it with him in his backpack he said, "I need it daily, I should be using it right now"
He NEVER took it out the whole night.

Obviously portrait people use it a lot. But a lot of portrait people don't.

Also, I see a lot of obsession about covering all focal lengths with 3 lenses etc. I would never do that outside the studio. Unless I was being paid very well, I would never leave my house with more than 2 lenses. If I NEEDED a wide range I'd go with a 28-300 or whatever kind of equivalent.

Interesting discussion...

When I got the 24-70II I thought it would replace my 24-105 and I'd definitely keep the primes. But it's turned out the other way around. The primes have been sold but I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

With my clients, events work is a little less uber-quality driven than other commercial work so the 24-105 is FINE! I've sold my Sigma 50 f/1.4 and my 24 f/1.4II since I got the 24-70II. It's just such a hot lens.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

-PW
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2013, 11:59:04 PM »
Hey Wildmudflowers,

I shoot more weddings than anything, and though I do not own the 24-70ii, I rented it for a wedding a couple of weeks ago just to try it out. This lens was prenominal, and was used for more pics than the 17-40, 35L, 50L, or 70-200ii, however, it was primarily used on my crop frame 60D rather than the 5Dii. This may just be my style, but the big tele came in handy more often for my ff. My 2c, rent one or both and try them out. I also rented the 50L, and was not deeply impressed, and though I may buy it eventually, I am not as excited to buy it as I was previously.

If you would rather buy before you try then the 24-70ii is one of the best lenses I have ever used, and I think you will be very happy with it for your events. I would sell anything you can reasonably justify.

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2013, 02:38:49 AM »
Personally - if you "have" to sell all that gear to get the 24-70 II then you can't afford it :-/

The 24-70 II is a great lens with great focal length flexibility, but without a camera that's exceptional in dark conditions - read 6D, 5D3, 1DX - you may struggle with low light images - check how many of your favourites are below f2.8 before making any change
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2013, 03:07:14 AM »
hi wildmudflowers, sounds like you want to have it and try to find arguments (and cash). am not a pro by any means, but gave myself the lens as a birthday present couple of weeks ago. And since I feel I wastetd too much of my time on my 24-105 for the past 7 years. It might be, that later versions of that may be better than my original copy that came bundled with my 5D classic, but IQ wise the latest 24-70 is out of this world. Go test one, and be ready to just wanting it so much more..
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2013, 03:34:11 AM »
I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

-PW

I think this sums up what I was trying to say more clearly.  I don't mean to dissuade you from the lens.  It's a great lens. but I agree if you're shooting events, the 70-200 would be my first pick. Why the need to to upgrade from the 24-105?  zoom creep can be fixed with a $5 lens band.  70-200 IS II is also "faster, sharper, and shallower"
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2013, 08:24:58 AM »
I'm sure the 70-200 is great. But I don't need it. I'm too lazy to carry it.
I'f I had to pick one lens to use forever it would probably be the 35l. But thats to impractical of a purchase for right now.
NO event client of mine would justify all that equipment. I all ways have full acess to everything and dont need to discreetly get shots. For a headshot I just see my self ever needing more that 135mm, but even if it was I wouldn't want to use it unless I was getting paid well. If its a personal project, 85mm is long enough for me.

I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

-PW

I think this sums up what I was trying to say more clearly.  I don't mean to dissuade you from the lens.  It's a great lens. but I agree if you're shooting events, the 70-200 would be my first pick. Why the need to to upgrade from the 24-105?  zoom creep can be fixed with a $5 lens band.  70-200 IS II is also "faster, sharper, and shallower"

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2013, 08:42:45 AM »
That's amazing. I had no idea it was such a quick fix. I thought I needed to take my lens to the repair shop and spend a bunch of money to get it fixed.
I hate the zoom creep. Thats my number 1 pet peeve while working.

What $5 band?


I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

-PW

I think this sums up what I was trying to say more clearly.  I don't mean to dissuade you from the lens.  It's a great lens. but I agree if you're shooting events, the 70-200 would be my first pick. Why the need to to upgrade from the 24-105?  zoom creep can be fixed with a $5 lens band.  70-200 IS II is also "faster, sharper, and shallower"

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2013, 09:44:28 AM »
24-70 II is great lens for general shooting.

I would keep 85 f1.8 for portrait and sell everything else.
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2013, 11:59:55 AM »
I have a a 24-105L a 28mm/1.8 50mm/1.4 and 85mm/1.8
I'm thinking of selling the 24-105, the 28mm and the 85 mm and just buy the 24-702.8II and have the 50 left
...

Yes. I would do the same.

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2013, 12:32:20 PM »
The great thing about the 24-70II is that it is sharp across all apertures - and you can't say that for any of your existing lenses. In fact, I doubt of one of your existing lenses can compare to the 24-70 at f2.8 - you would probably have to stop down to f4 or f5.6 to get sharpness - but not on the 24-70II. For me that is what it is all about. I can choose the aperture I want for the DOF I need as opposed to trading off sharpness (or lack thereof) for DOF.

So unless you are shooting in very, very dark places the 24-70 at 2.8 will do everything you need it to do while giving you pinsharp images. Can't ask for any better.
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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2013, 02:52:28 PM »
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/834030-REG/LENSBAND_628586557901_Lens_Band_Black.html

That's amazing. I had no idea it was such a quick fix. I thought I needed to take my lens to the repair shop and spend a bunch of money to get it fixed.
I hate the zoom creep. Thats my number 1 pet peeve while working.

What $5 band?


I still find the 24-105 very useful for events. In low light the IS is often more valuable than the f/2.8 max aperture of the 24-70II, and the extra reach is very, very useful.

FWIW I couldn't function at events work without the 70-200 f/2.8IIis. I run the 24-105 on a 5D3 body with 580exII and the 70-200 on a 1D4 body also with 580EXII. Often my best shots will be candids shot with the 70-200.

-PW


I think this sums up what I was trying to say more clearly.  I don't mean to dissuade you from the lens.  It's a great lens. but I agree if you're shooting events, the 70-200 would be my first pick. Why the need to to upgrade from the 24-105?  zoom creep can be fixed with a $5 lens band.  70-200 IS II is also "faster, sharper, and shallower"

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Re: Sell non L primes to get 24-70LII
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