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24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« on: June 13, 2013, 12:21:29 AM »
Does anyone have experience with these two lenses? In particular, the IS on both. I'm interested in buying a new 24-something lens for full frame purposes. Also how would these lenses compare with the 17-55 in terms of IQ? Anyone got sample images of the new 24-70 f/4L?

I've had a play about with both lenses. The 24-105L has the advantage of being almost half the price. But is it a mistake to go from a 17-55 to 24-105? Image stabilization is more important than wider apertures so for now the 24-70II is out.

Not a fan of Tamron so that's out too.
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24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 12:54:21 AM »
Does anyone have experience with these two lenses? In particular, the IS on both. I'm interested in buying a new 24-something lens for full frame purposes. Also how would these lenses compare with the 17-55 in terms of IQ? Anyone got sample images of the new 24-70 f/4L?

I've had a play about with both lenses. The 24-105L has the advantage of being almost half the price. But is it a mistake to go from a 17-55 to 24-105? Image stabilization is more important than wider apertures so for now the 24-70II is out.

Not a fan of Tamron so that's out too.

Gong from a 17-55 on your 7D to a 24-105 on your 5DII is an improvement IMHO (largely because of the 5D2's sensor). The 24-105 is very versatile and surprisingly good (it clearly outshines my 24-70 f/2.8 MkI). Just my 2 cents... sorry I've no personal experience with the 24-70 f/4 IS. I understand however that its only real advantage over the 24-105 is its near-macro ability if that is important to you (I prefer a dedicated macro lens).

FWIW the 24-105 f/4 IS is my vacation-lens workhorse. Although I also bring a few other lenses on my travels, the 24-105 f/4 IS can do it all if needed, greatly helped by the weather sealing.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 01:12:04 AM »
The 17-55 and 24-105 both feature 3 stop image stabilisation, so you certainly won't lose out from that angle if you make that switch. The 24-70/4 however has a 4 stop hybrid IS system. Hybrid is only of any real use at near macro focusing distances, but the extra stop will make a difference at normal focusing distances.

The 17-55 on crop is the equivalent of a 27-88/4.5 IS on full frame - so the 24-105 (when mounted on full frame) is wider, longer, and vaguely better at gathering light (together with a correspondingly narrower DoF). Not to mention other gains such as weather sealing and build quality.

From what I can tell from the reviews, the 24-70/4 is no sharper than the 24-105, and actually has a more distracting bokeh. I'd only consider the 24-70/4 over it if you really don't need the reach, but you do need the macro capability - and are willing to pay for it.

However, for 24-70/4 money you could buy a 24-105 and a 100 (non L) macro.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 01:51:58 AM »
However, for 24-70/4 money you could buy a 24-105 and a 100 (non L) macro.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 02:30:59 AM »
At Building Panoramics we have both lenses. I can assure you the new 24-70 f4 is significantly better than the 24-105. Too early to tell on the IS yet.

Is it worth the hefty price ? If you can afford it then yes. If not, don't loose any sleep over it !

I've just posted a pic in 'best landscapes' shot on the 24-70. You can see a much bigger version on our website.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 03:10:30 AM »
I'm still of the opinion that the days of the 24-105mm are numbered, with something like a 24-135mm replacing it at a price somewhere between the 2.8 & 4.0 versions if the 24-70mm.  I'd really like a longer reach from my walk around lens, but wanted the 2.8 ability more than reach when I got my 24-70 2.8. 

I played with both the 24-105 and 24-70 f4 recently and with a few minutes of casual shop use, found the 24-70 handled nicer than the 24-105 - I used to have a 15-85 on a 450D, so currently finding my 6D & 24-70 f2.8 a real heft, which is why I also bought a EOS-M & 22mm.

The 24-70 f4 is slowly dropping in price and worth checking the cash back deals
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 04:34:39 AM »
Thanks for the replies, I'll check out Building Panos after work.

The extra reach would be nice for traveling. I hate taking extra lenses and wish I could have a one trick pony. Though I've heard (and noticed myself) that the 24mm end of the 24-105 isn't great. I like my building and landscape shots so that might dissapoint me. My 17-55 gets used at 17mm a lot.

I don't do macro but sometimes I like to take close up type shots. Things like rings at weddings or flowers, that sorta thing. I usually just crop the image to make it look like a close up. Maybe the 24-70 f/4 would get me into macro? Who knows.

Yeah I think I'll wait for the price to drop. It's tempting to get a 2nd hand 24-105L. Currently the 24-105 is going for about $750 2nd hand (¥75,000) but $950 new (¥96,000). The 24-70 f4 is going for ¥127,000 (I live in Japan hence the yen).

I recently sold off my 85 1.8 and 50 1.8 II so have about $400 or so extra. Was going to buy a Sigma 35 but might do this upgrade first. Decisions decisions.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 05:24:30 AM »
I recently sold off my 85 1.8 and 50 1.8 II so have about $400 or so extra. Was going to buy a Sigma 35 but might do this upgrade first. Decisions decisions.

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Are you really missing the gap between 40-70mm?

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 06:34:01 AM »
I recently sold off my 85 1.8 and 50 1.8 II so have about $400 or so extra. Was going to buy a Sigma 35 but might do this upgrade first. Decisions decisions.

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Are you really missing the gap between 40-70mm?

Thats a fair point! However at casual parties and events a lot of group or people shots fall into the 28 - 50 ish range that gets some of the background too. Wider than that is too distorted for people off center.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 07:24:58 AM »
However, for 24-70/4 money you could buy a 24-105 and a 100 (non L) macro.
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The 24-105 is a tremendous value.  A very good and flexible general purpose lens.  I own a 24-105 but have never used a 24-70 f/4.0.  According according to most reviews, the IQ is very similar, with the 24-70 having better sharpness at 24mm and 70mm and the 24-105 sharper from 35-85mm.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=355&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=823&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

The 24-105 has the advantages of price and reach (70-105mm) and the 24-70 has the near macro advantage and possibly slightly better image stabilization.  Be aware that Photozone warns of focus shift issues with the 24-70 f/4.0:

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/798-canon2470f4?start=2

Personally, I would consider this lens if it were priced around $900-1,000, but at its current price point, I think it does not offer much.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 07:31:15 AM »
At Building Panoramics we have both lenses. I can assure you the new 24-70 f4 is significantly better than the 24-105. Too early to tell on the IS yet.

Is it worth the hefty price ? If you can afford it then yes. If not, don't loose any sleep over it !

I've just posted a pic in 'best landscapes' shot on the 24-70. You can see a much bigger version on our website.

Sporgon, I highly respect your work, so you comment carries a great deal of weight. Do you find the 24-70 f4 sharper than the 24-105 or is the IQ better in other ways?  Do you have any side-by-side shots with the 24-105 and 24-70 you would be willing to share?
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 08:14:31 AM »
I'm interested in buying a new 24-something lens for full frame purposes. Also how would these lenses compare with the 17-55 in terms of IQ?

Worth noting that the true FF equivalent of the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens is a hypothetical 27-88mm f/4.5 IS - so the 24-105L on FF is wider, longer, and faster (in terms of DoF for equal framing) than the 17-55 on APS-C. 

I went from 7D + 17-55 to 5DII + 24-105 and the latter combo delivers much, much better IQ. 
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 09:42:47 AM »
According to the-digital-picture as i interpret f/4 performance

24mm 24-70  equal at center much better mid-frame and corner
35mm 24-105 better everywhere
50mm 24-105 much better everywhere
70mm 24-105 better at center, slightly worse mid-frame, very slightly better at the corner!

105mm of wait...  :o

I didn't bother to check every aperture. It goes without saying that at f/8 or so both lenses will be more or less equal...

I would never trade my 24-105 f/4L IS for the f/4 version...

But that's me.

P.S Please don't tempt me with 24-70 f/2.8 L II ...

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 09:45:33 AM »
I'm interested in buying a new 24-something lens for full frame purposes. Also how would these lenses compare with the 17-55 in terms of IQ?

Worth noting that the true FF equivalent of the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens is a hypothetical 27-88mm f/4.5 IS - so the 24-105L on FF is wider, longer, and faster (in terms of DoF for equal framing) than the 17-55 on APS-C. 

I went from 7D + 17-55 to 5DII + 24-105 and the latter combo delivers much, much better IQ.

Can't argue with that! Cheers Neuro! Think I might be swayed towards the 24-105, second hand. Who knows how long it will take for the 24-70 f4 price to come down.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 10:28:28 AM »
I went from 7D + 17-55 to 5DII + 24-105 and the latter combo delivers much, much better IQ.

+1000 FWIW, I went from the 7D/17-55mm to the 6D/24-105mm, and just recently sold that 7D kit as it just wasn't getting used at all.

One thing to consider is the horrible barrel distortion of the 24-105mm at the wide end (reminds me of the 15-85mm if you used that on a crop, although even the 15-85mm did a bit better). The 24-70mm f/4 is supposed to be better in this department (e.g., see photozone.de), but I also feel that the current price for the 24-70mm f/4 doesn't sit well in the market.
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