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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 10:29:43 AM »
Can't argue with that! Cheers Neuro! Think I might be swayed towards the 24-105, second hand. Who knows how long it will take for the 24-70 f4 price to come down.

Oops, missed your last reply. I see you've decided, best of luck with the 24-105mm!
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 10:29:43 AM »

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 11:13:40 AM »
One thing to consider is the horrible barrel distortion of the 24-105mm at the wide end

I guess this is a personal thing, but in the real world it is only really noticeable in critical shots and can easily be corrected in post if needed. FWIW chromatic aberrations (I really hate CA) are largely absent at all apertures and focal lengths so that's a good thing.

I'm still considering selling my 24-70 f/2.8 L. The 24-105 is that good...
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 11:19:34 AM »
Can't argue with that! Cheers Neuro! Think I might be swayed towards the 24-105, second hand. Who knows how long it will take for the 24-70 f4 price to come down.

Oops, missed your last reply. I see you've decided, best of luck with the 24-105mm!

Always open to some more views on the matter! Now, how is the 6D? Are you happy with it? I'm thinking of (well kinda already in the process of) selling my 5DII for a 6D. I'm keeping the 7D, mostly for it's speed and AF. I wouldn't want a 5DII and 6D, too similar, and I like having a crop body as a sort of tele-convertor.  We'll see what the 7D II brings though, been keeping a close eye on that.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM »
One thing to consider is the horrible barrel distortion of the 24-105mm at the wide end

I guess this is a personal thing, but in the real world it is only really noticeable in critical shots and can easily be corrected in post if needed. FWIW chromatic aberrations (I really hate CA) are largely absent at all apertures and focal lengths so that's a good thing.

I'm still considering selling my 24-70 f/2.8 L. The 24-105 is that good...

Yeah barrel distortions not a major issue. To be honest I'll be using the 17-40L for most landscape stuff. The 24-105L is really just for travel and days where I can't be arsed lugging extra gear around. The 17-55 is great but it's not weathersealed and doesnt work on full frame. Otherwise I love that lens. It does everything. Great combo with a 7D.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
At Building Panoramics we have both lenses. I can assure you the new 24-70 f4 is significantly better than the 24-105. Too early to tell on the IS yet.

Is it worth the hefty price ? If you can afford it then yes. If not, don't loose any sleep over it !

I've just posted a pic in 'best landscapes' shot on the 24-70. You can see a much bigger version on our website.

Wow amazing images! I only saw a handful, I'll check out more tomorrow. Can you post some 24-70 shots on this thread please? Don't have to be panos just anything shot with that lens. Thanks.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 12:37:50 PM »
At Building Panoramics we have both lenses. I can assure you the new 24-70 f4 is significantly better than the 24-105. Too early to tell on the IS yet.

Is it worth the hefty price ? If you can afford it then yes. If not, don't loose any sleep over it !

I've just posted a pic in 'best landscapes' shot on the 24-70. You can see a much bigger version on our website.

Sporgon, I highly respect your work, so you comment carries a great deal of weight. Do you find the 24-70 f4 sharper than the 24-105 or is the IQ better in other ways?  Do you have any side-by-side shots with the 24-105 and 24-70 you would be willing to share?


@bholliman: many thanks for that.

Despite the reviews that are floating around about the 24-70 f4 saying otherwise, this lens is sharper than the 24-105 across the focal lengths. For instance at f5.6 - f8 it is equal to the 40mm STM and 50mm 1.4 at those same focal lengths in centre and mid frame. It is not as good as those primes in the corners. At 24 to 28mm it has less barrel distortion than the 24-105 as well as being better across the frame. The 24-35mm range is much better spaced. Some reviews have stated that 50mm is the lenses weakest focal length: this is not what we have found. Colour rendition, contrast, chromatic aberration etc similar to 24-105. We have found no issues with rsa in the way we use the lens.

The 24-105 on the other hand is not as sharp as those prime lenses mentioned above. It is also worse in the corners at the wider focal lengths.

However we are in the digital age, and computers generate the pictures we produce. The resolution of the 24-105 is of sufficient quality to allow very effective sharpening. People are quite rightly raving about the quality of the 40mm STM. Apply an un-sharp mask of say 0.2 pixel @120% and a good copy of the 24-105 will produce an image that is pretty much the same as that lens. This is why we use one at Building Panoramics, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Most of the pictures that we currently have on our website are shot with one or other 24-105mm lenses.

At present the 24-70 f4 is in the south of England, and the other's in the north, but when we have the two lenses in the same place I'll produce some 'real life' back to back comparisons.



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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 12:45:34 PM »
I'm thinking of (well kinda already in the process of) selling my 5DII for a 6D. I'm keeping the 7D, mostly for it's speed and AF. I wouldn't want a 5DII and 6D, too similar, and I like having a crop body as a sort of tele-convertor.  We'll see what the 7D II brings though, been keeping a close eye on that.
I'd be tempted to sell both your 5D2 and your 7D to fund a 5D3 and a 1.4x TC instead. While it doesn't have the frame rate of the 7D, the superior AF is nice compensation. And when you need reach, the TC will get it back for you.

If an imaginary 1.6x TC existed, you'd get the same framing and depth of field options with the lens mounted bare on a crop camera or with the TC on FF. And due to the greater light gathering capabilities of the larger sensor (meaning higher ISO's are usable), the light loss caused by the TC is negated. You can always do a minor crop to get the 280mm of your white lens + 1.4x up to the EFL of 320mm you get on your 7D.

And with f8 autofocus on the 5D3, you can even get away with a 2x TC.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 12:45:34 PM »

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2013, 12:54:45 PM »
At Building Panoramics we have both lenses. I can assure you the new 24-70 f4 is significantly better than the 24-105. Too early to tell on the IS yet.

Is it worth the hefty price ? If you can afford it then yes. If not, don't loose any sleep over it !

I've just posted a pic in 'best landscapes' shot on the 24-70. You can see a much bigger version on our website.

Wow amazing images! I only saw a handful, I'll check out more tomorrow. Can you post some 24-70 shots on this thread please? Don't have to be panos just anything shot with that lens. Thanks.

Many thanks Zv, I'll see what I can produce, but the resolution of these pages isn't really going to tell you that much. Watch this space.................

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2013, 01:03:36 PM »
Oops, missed your last reply. I see you've decided, best of luck with the 24-105mm!

Always open to some more views on the matter! Now, how is the 6D? Are you happy with it? I'm thinking of (well kinda already in the process of) selling my 5DII for a 6D. I'm keeping the 7D, mostly for it's speed and AF. I wouldn't want a 5DII and 6D, too similar, and I like having a crop body as a sort of tele-convertor.  We'll see what the 7D II brings though, been keeping a close eye on that.

I'm really happy with my 6D, very impressed with IQ and high ISO performance; the AF system works fine for my needs (I use mostly the center point or MF). I'm a hobbyist and only had limited experience with the 5D2, but for me there was no doubt of going with the 6D over a 5D2. Whether it's a good upgrade for you depends on your needs -the 5D3 being the obvious alternative)

I originally kept my 7D thinking along the same lines as you, but I honestly don't do much action or long reach shooting. After a 4-month period, I realized the 7D wasn't getting used, so I decided to sell all my APS-C stuff and get a tilt-shift and updated macro. In my case, those lenses made more sense than doing a quick upgrade to the 5D3.

I brought up the distortion issue on the 24-105mm to add that to your consideration. I do use the 24-105mm as my walk around and I deal with its limitations just fine. Same as you, for a walk around I chose to stick with the longer reach and IS. I do think the 24-70 f/4 has better IQ. I tested it last weekend at the store, yet I couldn't convince myself to make the switch.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2013, 02:42:04 PM »
Hi All,

What drives me since getting back into photography after many years of absence is all the commentary based on personal attachment or brand bias.  If you love something love it, hate it, hate it, but do so based on first hand personal experience and don't parrot what's on the internet and don't brow beat others.  I agonized with my 6D, 24-70 F4 kit purchase and read all kinds of negatives such as WiFi is a joke and the 24-70 macro is a joke.  Well such comments are a joke and I'm just thrilled to death with what I've got (not saying it's great, only that I'm satisfied).

Since I've been shooting with my first love - 70-300 F2.8 II mainly, I've only used the 24-70 a little but I could certainly post more shots such as this one at 31mm.  I don't have any PP capability so it's untouched.  The original post asked for shots and I can provide more if it would be helpful, I'd just have to make a point of wandering around for an hour with the lens.  Let me know if I can help guided by what's desired.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 02:44:53 PM »
Here's two crops of the previous.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 02:53:16 PM »
Jack: you're gonna have people queuing up to try your 70-300 2.8 II.  I must have missed the I version  ;)

That's a very fine Bebby.

Can't say the same about your lawn.......

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »
Hi Sporgon,

I've been posting relative to the 300 and 1.4X and 2X in other topics.  I don't mind trying to help as that's the least I can do based on others helping me, of course that's what it's all about.

Now about the lawn!  ;)  This is the old cottage at the lake that just sold and that's 66% of the new ownership quite unrelated to me, the night I turned the keys over.  Isn't it easy to draw conclussions without full informnation, we all do it.

Here's a couple more shots I just thought of that might help whoever is thinking about this lens. 

Jack



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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 06:19:59 PM »
one more, that's my son and a friend, so as not to confuse  :)

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 07:26:07 PM »
Thanks Jack for posting the images. The shots look good.

@pensive and rs - I thought about that but I'd still rather have two bodies than one. My future plan is to have a 5D III and 6D. Just making the transition gradually and within means. And I just like the 7D, I enjoy using it!
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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