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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2013, 07:28:11 PM »
Here is sample pic from:
24-105

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I didn't apply any lens correction
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2013, 07:53:48 PM »
Corners look a lot sharper in the 24-70 shots. Though the 24-105 shot would do the job. Considering how much I shoot at the wide end and the fact that I'm getting fussy about corner sharpness these days I think I might have to consider the 24-70. It's about $100 cheaper as a kit with the 6D. Then again the 24-105 is $200 cheaper as a kit!

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2013, 02:19:17 PM »
Despite the reviews that are floating around about the 24-70 f4 saying otherwise, this lens is sharper than the 24-105 across the focal lengths.

Thanks for the detailed response Sporgon. 

Have you experienced any of the focus shift problems with your lens that Photozone reported in their review?
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/798-canon2470f4?start=2
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2013, 02:49:22 PM »
Here is sample pic from:
24-105

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I didn't apply any lens correction
It looks good enough to me.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2013, 04:13:55 PM »
Thanks for the replies, I'll check out Building Panos after work.

The extra reach would be nice for traveling. I hate taking extra lenses and wish I could have a one trick pony. Though I've heard (and noticed myself) that the 24mm end of the 24-105 isn't great. I like my building and landscape shots so that might dissapoint me. My 17-55 gets used at 17mm a lot.

I don't do macro but sometimes I like to take close up type shots. Things like rings at weddings or flowers, that sorta thing. I usually just crop the image to make it look like a close up. Maybe the 24-70 f/4 would get me into macro? Who knows.

Yeah I think I'll wait for the price to drop. It's tempting to get a 2nd hand 24-105L. Currently the 24-105 is going for about $750 2nd hand (¥75,000) but $950 new (¥96,000). The 24-70 f4 is going for ¥127,000 (I live in Japan hence the yen).

I recently sold off my 85 1.8 and 50 1.8 II so have about $400 or so extra. Was going to buy a Sigma 35 but might do this upgrade first. Decisions decisions.

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hi, now the 24-70f4L is cheaper than that price , you can go an actual shop(not online) and bargain it , you can get a bit better price.

I paid around 109800 yen and it is a good price, but I regret I should have bought it in a part of my 6D kit.
Anyway, try discount it , I am sure you can get it cheaper than 120000yen.
that said the optical quality of  the 24-70f4LIS is not much better than that of  the 24-105mmf4LIS ,which I got with my 5D2(sold now, though).
But I think the 24-70f4L has much better coating and its hybrid IS works better than the IS of the 24-105mm f4L.
In addition to that, the 24-70f4LIS has new Fluorine Coatings ,which reduces finger prints and protects front elements from unwanted scratches.
And  finally, the 24-70mmf4L is a much smaller lens than the 24-105mm f4L.

IMO, the Fluorine coatings alone makes it worth the premium over the old kit lens , the special coating makes it very tough and that eliminates all needs for a lens protective filter.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »
MLfan3 - I didn't know you could "bargain" anything in Japan! I thought they were always very strict with their price. Is it different for lenses? Are talking about Yodobashi and BIC camera stores or smaller stores?
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2013, 02:26:24 AM »
And  finally, the 24-70mmf4L is a much smaller lens than the 24-105mm f4L.

Earlier in this thread Jack noted:
"What drives me since getting back into photography after many years of absence is all the commentary based on personal attachment or brand bias".

I too value unbiased advice.

From Digital Picture:

Canon EF 24-70mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   21.2 oz   (600g)   3.3 x 3.7"   (83.4 x 93mm)   77mm   2012
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   23.7 oz   (670g)   3.3 x 4.2"   (83.5 x 107mm)   77mm   2005

Frankly, 1 1/2 ounces and half an inch does not make it "much smaller".  Its about 1/10th lighter and 1/8th shorter.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2013, 02:54:59 AM »
Despite the reviews that are floating around about the 24-70 f4 saying otherwise, this lens is sharper than the 24-105 across the focal lengths.

Thanks for the detailed response Sporgon. 

Have you experienced any of the focus shift problems with your lens that Photozone reported in their review?
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/798-canon2470f4?start=2


In a word : no. But then we are not using the lens in a way where it would show up. I'll have a play with it and see if I can make it happen.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2013, 04:29:58 AM »
And  finally, the 24-70mmf4L is a much smaller lens than the 24-105mm f4L.

Earlier in this thread Jack noted:
"What drives me since getting back into photography after many years of absence is all the commentary based on personal attachment or brand bias".

I too value unbiased advice.

From Digital Picture:

Canon EF 24-70mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   21.2 oz   (600g)   3.3 x 3.7"   (83.4 x 93mm)   77mm   2012
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   23.7 oz   (670g)   3.3 x 4.2"   (83.5 x 107mm)   77mm   2005

Frankly, 1 1/2 ounces and half an inch does not make it "much smaller".  Its about 1/10th lighter and 1/8th shorter.

Yeah I've handled both lenses and "much" is a bit of an over statement! "Little bit" would be accurate. However that little bit makes some difference when carrying your backpack of gear around as well as around your neck. Always nicer to carry less weight. Length wise it's not that big of a difference, not really going to matter in real life shooting.

The main pros for the 24-70 right now for me are -
Sharper corners at 24mm.
Fluorite coating on front element.
4 stops of IS (biggie - I rely on IS as I travel without tripod).
It's newer (ok that one makes no sense really).
Macro (meh not bothered but sure, I'll take it).

The only con is range and price. Range is not that big a deal as I have the 70-200 and traveling with 2 lenses isn't so bad. And price is well within what I can afford.

Yet I still think the 24-105 might be more useful overall.

Seems I want a 24-105 f/4 v2!!
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2013, 04:48:39 AM »
Good points Zv.

Interesting, I went the other way.  I had the 24-105 and 70-200 and found with the overlap I tended to use the 70-200 mainly at 200mm.  So I sold it and got the 200 prime which is lighter, smaller and less conspicuous than the zoom.  I have a two month trip through Europe (including northern Norway) and the Rockies coming up in a month.  My travel kit is just the 24-105 and 200 prime (+1.4x).  I expect to take 90% of the photos with the 24-105.

I would like a smaller 24-xx, but with the extra range of the 105, I can get by with just the 200.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2013, 04:58:52 AM »
Good points Zv.

Interesting, I went the other way.  I had the 24-105 and 70-200 and found with the overlap I tended to use the 70-200 mainly at 200mm.  So I sold it and got the 200 prime which is lighter, smaller and less conspicuous than the zoom.  I have a two month trip through Europe (including northern Norway) and the Rockies coming up in a month.  My travel kit is just the 24-105 and 200 prime (+1.4x).  I expect to take 90% of the photos with the 24-105.

I would like a smaller 24-xx, but with the extra range of the 105, I can get by with just the 200.

Cheers

Wow, sounds like a great trip! Norway is on my list of places to see for sure! Yeah thanks for your input, I'm pretty sure that if I had the 24-105 it would stay on my camera all the time out of sheer laziness! That's what I want to avoid! My 70-200 f/4L IS might start collecting dust! I like the compression and bokeh at the 200mm end even at f/4, though I have the 135L and 7D to get me the 200mm f/2.8 equiv (or close enough) if needs be.
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2013, 08:14:27 AM »
And  finally, the 24-70mmf4L is a much smaller lens than the 24-105mm f4L.

Earlier in this thread Jack noted:
"What drives me since getting back into photography after many years of absence is all the commentary based on personal attachment or brand bias".

I too value unbiased advice.

From Digital Picture:

Canon EF 24-70mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   21.2 oz   (600g)   3.3 x 3.7"   (83.4 x 93mm)   77mm   2012
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM Lens   23.7 oz   (670g)   3.3 x 4.2"   (83.5 x 107mm)   77mm   2005

Frankly, 1 1/2 ounces and half an inch does not make it "much smaller".  Its about 1/10th lighter and 1/8th shorter.

Yeah I've handled both lenses and "much" is a bit of an over statement! "Little bit" would be accurate. However that little bit makes some difference when carrying your backpack of gear around as well as around your neck. Always nicer to carry less weight. Length wise it's not that big of a difference, not really going to matter in real life shooting.

The main pros for the 24-70 right now for me are -
Sharper corners at 24mm.
Fluorite coating on front element.
4 stops of IS (biggie - I rely on IS as I travel without tripod).
It's newer (ok that one makes no sense really).
Macro (meh not bothered but sure, I'll take it).

The only con is range and price. Range is not that big a deal as I have the 70-200 and traveling with 2 lenses isn't so bad. And price is well within what I can afford.

Yet I still think the 24-105 might be more useful overall.

Seems I want a 24-105 f/4 v2!!

Difference in size and weight: indifferent, so little to be of any value. Others may disagree.

Sharper corners at 24mm: Yes but the advantage is only at 24mm. Nowhere else according to the-digital-picture

Fluorite coating on front element: No big deal at all. I use good quality UV filters (mostly Hoya HD UV).

4 stops of IS (biggie - I rely on IS as I travel without tripod): 24-105 has 3-stop I believe. No big deal either

It's newer (ok that one makes no sense really): Useless (I agree).

Macro (meh not bothered but sure, I'll take it): Indifferent. It's not real macro anyway.

The only con is range and price. Range is not that big a deal as I have the 70-200 and traveling with 2 lenses isn't so bad. And price is well within what I can afford:

Overlapping is nice unless you have to cameras with 24-70 and 70-200 all the time.
Price is serious. Why someone should pay more for something that is not worth it?  It's not a 24-70 2.8 after all.

Yet I still think the 24-105 might be more useful overall.

YES! I do agree with you

P.S I want a 24-105 II too  :)

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2013, 10:19:37 AM »
Just an observation...   In the last year, my local independent camera shop has had just one 24-105 lens for sale second hand, yet in the last couple of months, they have had three 24-70 f4's - not scientific, but considering the considerable number of 24-105's out there vs the 24-70 f4, perhaps 50-100x the number, I'd expect more 24-105's being traded second hand.

I like the idea of the 24-70 f4, feels nice to handle, but can't help but think, the extra 35mm reach and lower price of the 24-105  is getting in the way of massive sales of 24-70 f4's
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2013, 10:30:46 AM »
I just realized that slowly but surely I will end up with an entirely all L lens line up. Hmmm how'd that happen?

Anyway, I think I'll wait until I've sold my 17-55 before buying anything. Might just buy the 25-105 and keep my 5D2, seems like the smart choice.

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Re: 24-70 f/4L IS vs 24-105L
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2013, 11:03:59 AM »
Here are some comparisons of the new 24-70 f4 against a couple of well respected prime lenses.

The first picture shows the overall scene. Reduced in size for the web.


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