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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2013, 09:58:09 AM »
If the 100-400 is as good as Canon's recent new offerings, then it should be markedly better than the 70-200L II + 2x III.  Hopefully, it'll take extenders well and give us good IQ at 560mm, which is about as far as we can get with a mobile hand-holdable system.

Hopefully, it'll take them at all.  Lots of people are clamoring for a rotating zoom like the 70-300L.  What if that plus a compact design means the lens loses extender compatibility??  Why would they do that?  Consider...all along the 'barrier' was 400/420mm.  If you wanted longer and still wanted AF, you shelled out the big bucks for a 1-series body or a supertele.  So now that they've put f/8 AF in a 5-series, perhaps they'll take away a 'cheap' 560mm f/8 IS option with good IQ.  Not really trying to be the voice of doom, here, but we all know that Canon giveth and Canon taketh away (AFMA on the 60D, anyone?).

Perhaps... that's the nice thing about being the consumer and in charge of the money... it's our choice.  If the IQ is outstanding and it doesn't take TCs, then it'll be a harder trade.  I currently use the 70-200 II + 2x, but I don't use it that often.  However, I do use the 70-300L a lot at 300.  I'd love to get a supertelephoto at some point, but I can't justify it now.  It's not just about the cost, but mobility with having the larger lens and the support system.  Maybe if the kids get more serious about sports once they get older then I'll be able to convince the wife.  Look hon, I've got the camera, tripod, gimbal head, etc... all I need is the lens!  Plus the supertelephotos are kinda hard to hide.  They stick out like a sore thumb like those conifer cell towers towering 30-60 feet above the treeline.  At least the 100-400 is expected to be "blendable" with the 70-200 and 70-300 surrounded by smaller black tubes.   ;D

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2013, 11:22:31 AM »
So this could possibly turn into an actual product within a year?

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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2013, 11:49:17 AM »
So this could possibly turn into an actual product within a year?
There are rumors for the update of this lens every year...

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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2013, 12:28:08 PM »
So this could possibly turn into an actual product within a year?

Maybe.  There have been rumors that it's being evaluated in the field.  If you don't hear any testing rumor, then year -> years.

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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2013, 12:58:54 PM »
If the 100-400 is as good as Canon's recent new offerings, then it should be markedly better than the 70-200L II + 2x III.  Hopefully, it'll take extenders well and give us good IQ at 560mm, which is about as far as we can get with a mobile hand-holdable system.
Hopefully, it'll take them at all.  Lots of people are clamoring for a rotating zoom like the 70-300L.  What if that plus a compact design means the lens loses extender compatibility??  Why would they do that?  Consider...all along the 'barrier' was 400/420mm.  If you wanted longer and still wanted AF, you shelled out the big bucks for a 1-series body or a supertele.  So now that they've put f/8 AF in a 5-series, perhaps they'll take away a 'cheap' 560mm f/8 IS option with good IQ.  Not really trying to be the voice of doom, here, but we all know that Canon giveth and Canon taketh away (AFMA on the 60D, anyone?).
But presumably it would still work with 3rd-party extenders?

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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2013, 01:00:17 PM »
Maybe.  There have been rumors that it's being evaluated in the field.  I
Hmm CR0, CR1, CR2 or CR3 rumors?  ::)

Seriously, I would be interested too. I am just not too optimistic...

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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2013, 06:03:08 PM »
So this could possibly turn into an actual product within a year?
There are rumors for the update of this lens every year...

The rumours probably started in November of 1998 :)
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« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2013, 10:02:52 PM »
You know I am thinking of a 400mm f/5.6L that I will combine with a 1.4X II (or even 2XII) for sunsets, sunrises, ducks, etc.

But my sunrise/sunset lens is a 300mm f/4L (non-IS) with the above mentioned teleconverters.

Also my "duck" lens (yes I have given it this nickname!) is a 100-400L.

So it would be too much. (The reason for fixed 400 is IQ wise  I do not wish to use the 2X).

A new 400 (either as a fixed lens or as a 100-400 zoom) would be the best for me (and I guess thousands more...)

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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2013, 10:45:32 PM »
Last time I checked, 2500 isn't double 1500.

last time I checked, 2500 is close to double 1500 (even more when you note they said expected to be north of 2500)

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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2013, 10:48:19 PM »
With a FF kit, this would be a tempting upgrade path from the 70-300L to get a bit more reach...but at that price point it might just make more sense to grab a 70D (when it comes out) and use the 70-300 with it when I need maximum reach (I consider it an outdoor lens anyway - I don't use it inside where FF quality makes the biggest difference)...figures.

Good point. The 100-400 doesn't really replace the 70-300L either since it is so much larger and heaver and doesn't hit 70mm which is very handy on FF. So getting a 100-400L and/or a 70-300L for your FF you add a 7D2 or a 70D instead. Of course even 400mm is short even with 18MP APS-C for lots of things....

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2013, 07:32:32 AM »
Interesting about 70-300.  The current 70-300 is a great lens; light weight and reasonable sharp.  Wonder what the Canon-gods have in store for us.

This is all due to the same reason: The future high mp ff bodies need sharper lenses, and these will be more costly to produce plus Canon will take a hefty premium.

The current 70-300L/100-400L might be the last sub-€2000 telezooms we have seen, so in the future dslr tele photography might be well out of reach of the average joe.

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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2013, 01:15:46 AM »
Interesting about 70-300.  The current 70-300 is a great lens; light weight and reasonable sharp.  Wonder what the Canon-gods have in store for us.

This is all due to the same reason: The future high mp ff bodies need sharper lenses, and these will be more costly to produce plus Canon will take a hefty premium.

The current 70-300L/100-400L might be the last sub-€2000 telezooms we have seen, so in the future dslr tele photography might be well out of reach of the average joe.

I'm not convinced this is to replace the 70-300L.

Why?

Because it is f/4.5-5.6.

So I think that this design is to replace the 70-300 IS USM (non-L)

And that this lens will come in at around the $700-$800 (maybe more) mark, similar to the change in price from the 28/1.8 to the 28/2.8 IS.

The catch however is that it needs to be at least as good as, if not better than, the optical performance of the 70-300L. Otherwise it will be a non-event and not worth buying due to the Tamron 70-300VC being about similar in terms of optics but much cheaper.

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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2013, 02:29:58 PM »
For me the 70-300L has proven itself worthwhile. It's perfectly sharp, IS is four stops, you even get solid background blur and then it's light and much agile than the alternatives. If I need reach I'll put it on a cheap 60D.
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Re: Patent: EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2013, 06:05:26 PM »
For me the 70-300L has proven itself worthwhile. It's perfectly sharp

No way, it doesn't outresolve either the ff or crop sensors - I'd say it's absolutely "sharp enough", but no comparison to for example the 100L or afaik other very sharp zooms like the 24-70ii or the 70-200is2.

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