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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L Non-IS Discontinued?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 06:02:14 PM »
I had looked at the 70-200 F4, the F4IS, and the 2.8 non-IS. (can't really afford the 2.8 IS and had no source to borrow one from).

The F4IS is sharper than the F4 non IS and the price isn't really that bad... so I ruled out the F4 non-IS. The F4 IS and the 2.8 non-IS were about the same price... The F4 IS was a bit sharper.... but the 2.8 was faster... After lot's of humming and hawing I decided that 2 or 3 stops of IS was better than 2/3 stops of aperture, and went with the F4IS. It is my most often used lens and is usually on the camera body.

I wonder what sales have been like recently for the 2.8 non-IS? My bet is that of the 4 incarnations of the 70-200 that it is the one that sells the fewest copies now.....
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 06:04:04 PM »
A stops difference in af performance.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 06:34:17 PM »
i read this rumors somewhere else a while back. i own this lens, it's very good. I don't think they should remove it from the lineup, but i won't be surprised i they do. Now i can't see how they refused to repair one. they're still sitting on store shelves!

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 07:12:17 PM »
I had looked at the 70-200 F4, the F4IS, and the 2.8 non-IS. (can't really afford the 2.8 IS and had no source to borrow one from).

The F4IS is sharper than the F4 non IS and the price isn't really that bad... so I ruled out the F4 non-IS. The F4 IS and the 2.8 non-IS were about the same price... The F4 IS was a bit sharper.... but the 2.8 was faster... After lot's of humming and hawing I decided that 2 or 3 stops of IS was better than 2/3 stops of aperture, and went with the F4IS. It is my most often used lens and is usually on the camera body.
A stops difference in af performance.
My impression was the the AF of the 2.8 non-IS and the F4 IS was similar. It's probably because the F2.8 non-IS came out in 1995, while the F4 IS came out in 2006. I'd bet that if there was similarly aged design of the F2.8 non-IS that it would kick F4 butt for AF speed and image quality.... but in this case we are comparing lenses that are 11 years apart.

I think that it is more likely that the F2.8 non-IS will be replaced with a V2 of the lens, than for it to be dropped from the lineup.  Canon has been going crazy in the last few years updating the quality of it's L glass, and this lens, fine as it may be, could be made much better now.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L Non-IS Discontinued?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 07:13:19 PM »
I own / use this lens for ice hockey.  Its a great focal length for indoor sports in poor lighting, and, because action / sports drives shutter speed, IS becomes unnecessary for me.  I would really be disappointed to see this lens removed from the lineup.  They should kill off the f4L non-is variant first.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L Non-IS Discontinued?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 07:18:24 PM »
I own / use this lens for ice hockey.  Its a great focal length for indoor sports in poor lighting, and, because action / sports drives shutter speed, IS becomes unnecessary for me.  I would really be disappointed to see this lens removed from the lineup.  They should kill off the f4L non-is variant first.

The F4 non-IS variant is the one that sells the best. No way will they get rid of it. I also think it is far more likely that the F2.8 non-is gets replaced with an updated version than to be dropped from the lineup
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 07:20:31 PM »
I had looked at the 70-200 F4, the F4IS, and the 2.8 non-IS. (can't really afford the 2.8 IS and had no source to borrow one from).

The F4IS is sharper than the F4 non IS and the price isn't really that bad... so I ruled out the F4 non-IS. The F4 IS and the 2.8 non-IS were about the same price... The F4 IS was a bit sharper.... but the 2.8 was faster... After lot's of humming and hawing I decided that 2 or 3 stops of IS was better than 2/3 stops of aperture, and went with the F4IS. It is my most often used lens and is usually on the camera body.

I wonder what sales have been like recently for the 2.8 non-IS? My bet is that of the 4 incarnations of the 70-200 that it is the one that sells the fewest copies now.....

It's still the best option when considering cost for sports though (2.8 IS II when not considering cost). f/4 IS has a fancier AF motor (it times out faster than the f/2.8 non-IS in simple tests) and yet the non-IS, real world, on field, tended to handle it just a little better and wouldn't freeze or get confused at odd times here and there, etc. and of course the f/2.8 is the big though anyway, just a bit more background blur and less noise for indoors without strobes and night games outdoors.
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2013, 07:42:59 PM »
I have this lens.  Bought it because of the price.  I do like it,  but seldom use it.  Been thinking about selling it.  A shame if they discontinue it.  It's a great lens.

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2013, 07:46:15 PM »
Wouldn't the AF work better because it AF's at f/2.8 whereas the other lens would AF at f/4?  I know that's simplistic, but that's a lot more light to use.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L Non-IS Discontinued?
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2013, 07:47:01 PM »
I inquire directly to Canon Marketing Philippines Inc. they said that the lens is already phase out and they can only offer me IS 2.

By the way, our club is directly associated with CMPI, so we normally get canon products directly to them and not via retail store.

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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 07:55:21 PM »
Wouldn't the AF work better because it AF's at f/2.8 whereas the other lens would AF at f/4?  I know that's simplistic, but that's a lot more light to use.
Normally you would be right, but with the F4 IS it's comparing a 7 year old design to an 18 year old design.. one of those apples and oranges things... the F4 IS is SLIGHTLY better in IQ and as far as I could tell the AF was the same.

The F4 non-IS is about the same vintage as the F2.8 non-IS. The F2.8 non-IS beats the F4 non-IS handily for focus speed and image quality.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L Non-IS Discontinued?
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 07:57:37 PM »
Oh, goody. Now I've got to try and get my 18 year old copy serviced before it's too late…  :'(
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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 08:49:13 PM »
Wouldn't the AF work better because it AF's at f/2.8 whereas the other lens would AF at f/4?  I know that's simplistic, but that's a lot more light to use.
Normally you would be right, but with the F4 IS it's comparing a 7 year old design to an 18 year old design.. one of those apples and oranges things... the F4 IS is SLIGHTLY better in IQ and as far as I could tell the AF was the same.

The F4 non-IS is about the same vintage as the F2.8 non-IS. The F2.8 non-IS beats the F4 non-IS handily for focus speed and image quality.

As I said, f/4 IS tests faster, but for field sports, the 2.8 non-IS actually works a bit more reliably, mostly about the same, but the f/2.8 non-IS has less of particular type of miss.

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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 09:44:51 PM »
Wouldn't the AF work better because it AF's at f/2.8 whereas the other lens would AF at f/4?  I know that's simplistic, but that's a lot more light to use.
Normally you would be right, but with the F4 IS it's comparing a 7 year old design to an 18 year old design.. one of those apples and oranges things... the F4 IS is SLIGHTLY better in IQ and as far as I could tell the AF was the same.

The F4 non-IS is about the same vintage as the F2.8 non-IS. The F2.8 non-IS beats the F4 non-IS handily for focus speed and image quality.

As I said, f/4 IS tests faster, but for field sports, the 2.8 non-IS actually works a bit more reliably, mostly about the same, but the f/2.8 non-IS has less of particular type of miss.

When I did my comparison tests I was alternating between a licence plate about 5 meters away and a sign about 100 meters away, and tested at 70mm and at 200mm. Both were fairly high contrast objects in good daylight. I found AF to be slowest on the F4 non-IS and about a tie between the F4 IS and the F2.8 non-IS. I could see the F2.8 non-IS performing better in lower light and I have no idea what the difference would be for moving objects.. If you say the 2.8 non-IS works better in field sports then I shall defer to your experience.

By the way... what is the "particular type of miss" that you have observed with the F4 IS?
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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 11:15:48 PM »
This could just be the case of Canon deciding to clean up its lineup, in a way.

As much as people don't like the idea IS is something that by the sounds of it Canon believe that you need in your lenses. (if market demand increases prices may fall for the IS models, so the price issues may be lessened)

Not everyone uses the AF in their camera but every DSLR body has some form of AF because the majority want it and a few don't know how to shoot without it. Doesn't mean that its for everyone, but if you don't want it you can always toggle that switch to turn it off.

It could explain why they are trying to put IS into all their lenses that are being updated. Yes i know the 24-70 f2.8 II doesn't have IS but it may receive an update sooner rather than later.
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