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1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
« on: August 25, 2011, 02:32:27 PM »

Which comes first………

The 1ds Mark IV or 5D Mark III?


Some people [NL] are being told the 1Ds Mark IV will arrive before the 5D Mark III based on known sources. I’ve been told the opposite by known sources. It’s still too early to say for sure it seems.


Lenses

As mentioned above, a few “interesting” lenses would be arriving with the 1Ds4/5d3. I’ve heard similar things in the last month or so.


I’ve been told there will be a “massively popular” lens as well as 2 more specialized lenses before the end of 2012.


Lens rumors have always been harder to nail down, as I think manufacturing plays a big roll in deciding when a lens can be announced and released.


For now, sit tight. The next announcement is going to be for a couple more PowerShots, then the good stuff.


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1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
« on: August 25, 2011, 02:32:27 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 02:51:52 PM »
...end of 2012?...thts a longgggggggggggggg time...

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2011, 02:58:50 PM »
Finally, the order has been corrected. I seriously hope they announce this in 2-3 weeks.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 04:36:50 PM »
Finally, the order has been corrected. I seriously hope they announce this in 2-3 weeks.

You realize that this is a post about 2 rumors that conflict each other?

Correcting would imply something official . . . only thing that's pretty certain is more powershots . . .
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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 05:00:59 PM »
Finally, the order has been corrected. I seriously hope they announce this in 2-3 weeks.
You realize that this is a post about 2 rumors that conflict each other?

I realize that ;)
But you know, I want to believe this rumor more than the other one hehe

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Re: 1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 06:54:31 PM »
This is indeed an interesting year for new cameras...

The playing of cards is quite unlike anything that has come before.

I wonder how much of the rumours that are leaked has become part of the game, such that each of them is trying to get the other to play their best card first.

And that makes me think that just maybe Canon have multiple prototypes ready that they can pursue in terms of products and that their choice will perhaps be more to do with what the other brands do than anything else.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 06:59:17 PM »
The only "massively popular" lens that comes to mind is the long awaited and often rumoured 24-70/2.8L replacement. I guess the other lens, "a more specialised lens" could be the rumoured 35/1.4L replacement.

I'm just hoping the new 24-70L has an Image Stabiliser. If not, there's little reason for me to sell my existing stellar copy!

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 06:59:17 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 07:43:29 PM »
The only "massively popular" lens that comes to mind is the long awaited and often rumoured 24-70/2.8L replacement. I guess the other lens, "a more specialised lens" could be the rumoured 35/1.4L replacement.

I'm just hoping the new 24-70L has an Image Stabiliser. If not, there's little reason for me to sell my existing stellar copy!

The 24-7- f/2.8L seems plausible, but I doubt Canon will include IS. One of the main uses of the lens is event photography (e.g. weddings) where the subjects are typically moving - which means keeping shutter speeds higher - depending on the situation mostly over 1/80s.  That means that IS will not be a big benefit.  I know my wife would not pay the price premium for an image stabilised lens at that focal length (assuming the price premium is similar to the premium on the 70-200mm lenses).  The story is entirely different with a 70-200mm lens - to be sure to get a shot at 1/80s at 200mm, you need IS.  That is why the 70-200mm f/2.8 USM IS II is so popular.  I suspect that the market for 70-200mm lenses is probably much bigger than for 24-70mm lenses, which is why Canon can bring to market 4 L series variants.
In the 24-xxx focal length range, for image stabilised lenses, I would hazard a guess that Canon would get a better return on investment by upgrading the IS in the 24-105mm than by adding IS to the 24-70mm.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 07:54:15 PM »
The only "massively popular" lens that comes to mind is the long awaited and often rumoured 24-70/2.8L replacement. I guess the other lens, "a more specialised lens" could be the rumoured 35/1.4L replacement.

I'm just hoping the new 24-70L has an Image Stabiliser. If not, there's little reason for me to sell my existing stellar copy!

The specialised lenses will be the 45mm and the 90mm TS-E.

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 08:41:59 PM »
Seriously, 24-70 has to have IS or else myself, and thousands of others, will have no reason to buy it. Fix the field curvature also.

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 09:30:52 PM »
The only "massively popular" lens that comes to mind is the long awaited and often rumoured 24-70/2.8L replacement. I guess the other lens, "a more specialised lens" could be the rumoured 35/1.4L replacement.

I'm just hoping the new 24-70L has an Image Stabiliser. If not, there's little reason for me to sell my existing stellar copy!


I hope the "more specialized lens" isn't finally the 400mm f5.6L replacement, now that i finally abandoned hope of an IS update and bought one, having an announcement would be frustrating. Probably some update to tilt & shift lenses. I don't think the 35mm is a specialized lens, but on the other hand there was an article here at CR if my memory serves me right, with rumours of a 35mm f1.4L II, with weather sealing, and new coatings. It wouldn't surprise me. But a non tilt-shift 35mm surely wouldn't fit into the specialized lens category, this focal length was always part of the standard primes list, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm or 90mm in a photographers arsenal, at least it used to be.

 The wide-angle is relatively well served, specially now with the 8-15mm fisheye, the 24mm f1.4L II was updated some time ago, already has weather sealing, new coatings. It doesn't makes sense to update the full frame fisheye 15mm now, and the 14mm f2.8L II is already up to 24mm f1.4L II standards, with weather sealing and remaining bells and whistles.
Perhaps an updated T&S 17mm, 45mm or 90mm.

The 24-70mm f2.8L, is this that popular these days, or has it been for Canon? I was under the impression that the 24-105mm was popular, more so than the 24-70.

Of the long telephotos, i don't think we're going to see that 300mm f4.0L IS II before the 2012 Olympic games. The patent is from 2009, and i wasn't the only one to have ran into representatives assuring the prospecting client that the 300mm f4.0L IS is already de-listed from the resellers tables. Who knows...
The oldest one is the 400mm f5.6L, but although popular in its niche market, it was (is) a niche market lens, birds and airplanes photography. It would certainly be a nice addition, but i doubt this will be the case, we'll probably see the 200-400mm before we see the 400mm f5.6L IS.

What's left? 300, 400, 500, 600mm telephotos were updated. Perhaps an 100-400mm ? Where would that leave the 200-400mm? Two completely different price segments perhaps. I doubt the 200-400mm will be priced at less than 5000 or 6000 euros, an updated 100-400mm certainly would be cheaper.

Any guesses?

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 09:33:07 PM »
Finally, the order has been corrected. I seriously hope they announce this in 2-3 weeks.
You realize that this is a post about 2 rumors that conflict each other?

I realize that ;)
But you know, I want to believe this rumor more than the other one hehe
Okay, that's fine then :)
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2011, 12:22:37 AM »
I'm with pgabor, as in my guess is the "2 more specialized lenses" are TS-E 45mm & 90mm. The TS-E 24mm has already got a mkII, and Canon has competition from such lenses as the Schneider Keuznach 90mm lens.

I wouldn't bet on the popular lens, and don't really care. Buying the Sigmas 12-24mm mkII and then the EF 8-15mm f/4 will max my gear savings for a year+.

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2011, 12:42:00 AM »
Massively popular: No doubt a zoom of some description, probably the 24-70mm. I'd actually almost consider a 100-400 for this slot and a release in late 2012. A 50mm f/1.8mm would also fit in with a massively popular lens, but I don't see the need to replace it or the 1.4 version yet. How do you feel about a 70-200 f/4.0 IS II?

Interesting: Voting with a 24-105; I think the 24-105 will be released as a kit and with the 5DIII. I think a prime will be released with a 1D/1Ds timed release. The 200-400 will be one of the timed releases, more than likely with a 1D/1Ds.

Specialised: This to me screams TS and Macro. Particularly with the massive movement for old/stylized photos. I think the TS would be one of the variants to be replaced - maybe the 45mm first, then a 90. I could potentially see a redesign of the 50mm Macro. My other option might be the 100mm Macro, but I think the popularity and high desirability of this lens currently would overweight a need to replace it yet. Another possibility would be the 180, but I don't think the market is altogether there on this one.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2011, 03:30:27 AM »
It's interesting that "known sources" are giving different information to different websites.  I've said before that if you had the option of arbitrarily putting one camera launch ahead of the other that it would make sense to put the 1Ds out before the 5D on the theory that you don't want the cheaper camera cannibalizing sales or upgrades.  But I also think that this is just the theory and most people are going to buy the more expensive camera (or not) based on their needs and the prices - ultimately it shouldn't make much difference one way or another.  In practice, I think Canon simply will want to get their cameras out on schedule.  I don't think the release of the A77 is anywhere close to putting Canon into a "panic release" mode, and we haven't seen anything from Nikon either.

Lenses:  "Massively popular" - could this be a new 50mm f/1.4? :P  (But as I've said before, Canon wants me to buy the f/1.2L, so...) - I agree with afira though, a zoom is much, much more likely.  I immediately thought of the 50mm for some reason.

On the "specialized" lens front:

I'm with pgabor, as in my guess is the "2 more specialized lenses" are TS-E 45mm & 90mm. The TS-E 24mm has already got a mkII, and Canon has competition from such lenses as the Schneider Keuznach 90mm lens.

I didn't see that Schneider Kreuznach made any 90mm perspective correction lens, or even that they made a 90mm f/2.8 lens.  I see a lot of 4x5 camera lenses on sale, little (actually nothing - it might be there and I missed it) for 35mm format.  More information?

While those lenses could be updated, I think a TS-E 120mm f/4 Macro (following the lead of the Hartblei Superrotator 120mm f/4 Makro, obviously) would be highly useful.  The TS-E 90mm gets close but perhaps not enough.  There will be some limits to the usability of tilt at macro distances, though, unless they finally start allowing focus past infinity or dramatically increase the amount (degrees) of tilt available (which would seem to require yet more glass though).  On the plus side, f/4 would allow them to make a still reasonably sized lens.

I also have said that the TS-E 90mm could perhaps be improved in some ways but it's actually a very fine lens and I can see why some people call it "Canon's sharpest lens."  I like to use it wide open - resolution there is already good enough that I have few worries.  There is just a bit of color fringing (something an APO redesign would help of course).
Massively popular: No doubt a zoom of some description, probably the 24-70mm. I'd actually almost consider a 100-400 for this slot and a release in late 2012. A 50mm f/1.8mm would also fit in with a massively popular lens, but I don't see the need to replace it or the 1.4 version yet. How do you feel about a 70-200 f/4.0 IS II?

The 7-200mm f/4 IS still has a great reputation for sharpness and is five years old, and was the first IS lens with four stops claimed shake reduction - so in terms of headline specs there's little to be improved there.  I'd say that the 24-70mm and 100-400mm receive much more negative attention for their perceived antiquity.  I also have to disagree on the 50mm f/1.4 - sure, it's still a perfectly serviceable lens and not that bad at all, but it could be dramatically improved.  The only thing the new fat-element Sigma is lacking, strangely, appears to be constant illumination - lots of vignetting reportedly (very strange).  Canon ought to watch this or they will lose more and more of their lens market to Sigma.

Of course, mere upgrades to current offerings aren't the only possibility - aside from the very likely possibility it will be something totally new, perhaps Canon is going way back into their historical EF lineup and resurrecting the 100-300mm "L" range, except making it a f/2.8 zoom now.  This would indeed be massively popular, as all the sales of the Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 OS (including to me) show.  It is actually a pretty significant hole in Canon's lineup, IMO; a lot of close-range field sports shooters (especially those on a budget) would get a lot more utility out of a 100-300mm range than they would out of a prime or a 100-400mm that is limited to f/5.6 at the tele end.

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I could potentially see a redesign of the 50mm Macro.

It would almost have to be an L because there's already a EF-S 60mm macro at the lower end.  Not voting that this is a likely upgrade.

Backtracking a bit: Another contender (I suppose) for a new "specialized" lens would be a long macro - the 180mm f/3.5L macro is a lens that should benefit from lighter-weight materials and especially IS.

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