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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2013, 07:47:53 PM »
The 7D is good up to ISO 3200 with a little NR in post. I sold an image recently at that high ISO with no flash. It all depends on the ambient light.

Sure the 6D can focus in the dark, sure it performs better at high ISO. But let me ask you, are you taking pics of your kids in the dark? Prob not right? You prob will be down the park or in the back yard etc.

While it less than ideal the built in flash works pretty well in a pinch when you need a little fill. Also it doubles up as a master wireless flash transmitter. Now that has been extremely useful to me. It works really well indoors and outdoors is pretty good. A cheap way to get in to off camera flash.

I use a 7D, 17-55 and 430ex2 combo. Altogether that's about $2k. It's a very versatile setup. Money saved - buy a couple of fast primes like the Sigma 35 1.4 and a 85 1.8. (That gives you like a 50 and 135 combo right there on crop).

Alternatively you'd need a 6D, 24-105, and possibly 2x 600ex rt or one plus a trigger $3k. I personally think that's overkill. I've shot an entire wedding with my 7D bundle. No issues at all.

Btw 6D does have AMFA capability. Someone mentioned it didn't.
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2013, 07:49:23 PM »
Even though you seem set on a 6D, you might consider a Canon refurb 5D Mark II for less money. The real improvement in AF the 6D has over the 5DII is better low-light sensitivity with the center point. Otherwise, the AF system is largely unchanged. The 5DII is a bigger, more robust body overall with ergonomic and feature advantages (flash sync speed, lens micro adjustment, faster shutter speed up to 1/8000, control dial and joystick vs. the jog wheel). The 6D has wireless transfer and GPS, yes, and better high ISO and shadow noise characteristics. The 5D Mark II has slightly higher resolution (hardly worth mentioning, but there it is). Sometimes the latest/greatest isn't necessary.


A refurbished 5DII costs $1495.32 from the Canon store. Add on taxes+shipping and you're looking at about the same for a like new/new 6D. The fact that the 5DII is a bigger camera can also be looked at as a con and ergonomic preference is relative...you'd have to actually try each out. The 6D being smaller also means that it is lighter, which is an advantage in my book. It also has better IQ despite having 0.9 less effective megapixels, and it DOES have AFMA capability. The difference in max shutter speed between the 6D and 5DII (1/4000s vs. 1/8000s, respectively) is negligible for most people. Same goes for the max sync speed (1/180s vs. 1/200s). As for the jog wheel vs. joystick debate, that is another matter of preference. Therefore, if given a choice between either for the same cost, you'd be silly to go for the 5DII unless you ABSOLUTELY needed those very minimal advantages, or maybe if video is a priority of yours.

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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2013, 09:51:00 PM »
Even though you seem set on a 6D, you might consider a Canon refurb 5D Mark II for less money. The real improvement in AF the 6D has over the 5DII is better low-light sensitivity with the center point. Otherwise, the AF system is largely unchanged. The 5DII is a bigger, more robust body overall with ergonomic and feature advantages (flash sync speed, lens micro adjustment, faster shutter speed up to 1/8000, control dial and joystick vs. the jog wheel). The 6D has wireless transfer and GPS, yes, and better high ISO and shadow noise characteristics. The 5D Mark II has slightly higher resolution (hardly worth mentioning, but there it is). Sometimes the latest/greatest isn't necessary.


A refurbished 5DII costs $1495.32 from the Canon store. Add on taxes+shipping and you're looking at about the same for a like new/new 6D. The fact that the 5DII is a bigger camera can also be looked at as a con and ergonomic preference is relative...you'd have to actually try each out. The 6D being smaller also means that it is lighter, which is an advantage in my book. It also has better IQ despite having 0.9 less effective megapixels, and it DOES have AFMA capability. The difference in max shutter speed between the 6D and 5DII (1/4000s vs. 1/8000s, respectively) is negligible for most people. Same goes for the max sync speed (1/180s vs. 1/200s). As for the jog wheel vs. joystick debate, that is another matter of preference. Therefore, if given a choice between either for the same cost, you'd be silly to go for the 5DII unless you ABSOLUTELY needed those very minimal advantages, or maybe if video is a priority of yours.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-6D-vs-Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II


I agree. If your gonna by a FF body, the 6D is the smarter choice. I bought my 5D2 new just before the 6D was announced and it was going for a good price ($1470) and it's still under warranty. Then the 6D came out (lots of folk dissed it) and it was about $2k. Back then I woulda said yeah 5D2. However 6 months on and opinion has improved and price has gone down. Now's a good time to get the 6D, it's CR forum approved!
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2013, 04:40:01 AM »
7D and indoor shots without flash? the truth? sh*t, especially compared to 5DIII/6D

A good point to consider (although 'sh*t' is a bit strong imho).
would "poo" be more appropriate? either way, its quite horrible, if you sum up the internet regarding that topic. thats why im holding up for a 7d2, if there will be any news about it before october. otherwise, im going for 1d4, no questions asked

Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today ;)

I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2013, 05:58:03 AM »
7D and indoor shots without flash? the truth? sh*t, especially compared to 5DIII/6D

A good point to consider (although 'sh*t' is a bit strong imho).
would "poo" be more appropriate? either way, its quite horrible, if you sum up the internet regarding that topic. thats why im holding up for a 7d2, if there will be any news about it before october. otherwise, im going for 1d4, no questions asked

Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today ;)

I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.

Have any of you nay sayers actually used a 7D??
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2013, 06:30:59 AM »
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2013, 07:31:22 AM »
7D and indoor shots without flash? the truth? sh*t, especially compared to 5DIII/6D

A good point to consider (although 'sh*t' is a bit strong imho).
would "poo" be more appropriate? either way, its quite horrible, if you sum up the internet regarding that topic. thats why im holding up for a 7d2, if there will be any news about it before october. otherwise, im going for 1d4, no questions asked

Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today ;)

I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.

Have any of you nay sayers actually used a 7D??

Yes, as you can see in my signature. I'm very happy with the 7D and 5D MkII combo. The 7D is surprisingly good even at high iso's although the 5DII is obviously my camera of choice when the light gets dim. Such is the luxury of owning both these bodies, as you know ;)

Attached file is an example of really challenging lighting conditions with the 7D at iso 3200. Sharpness could be better but this was taken with my old 70-200 f/2.8 IS at f/4.
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2013, 08:23:08 AM »
A major step..and one full of promise.  Going full frame for family photos and 4x6 prints is probably overkill with the
capabilities of today's cameras, but nevertheless, enjoy it.  The 24-105 kit lens is a good choice given it's discounts with the package.  Buy it, even if you turn around and sell it quickly.  Keep the 50 1.8 and sell the
55-250 since you can't use IS lenses on a full frame camera (Canon could take a lesson from Nikon here as its crop lenses work on its full frame bodies even if in a somewhat degraded mode).  I agree with the 430 recommendation for a flash since most of the 600 "improvements" are for multi-flash setups and you can use the
430 as a remote if you later decide you need the 600 or its replacement.  So you've got the new 6, a 50 and a
24-105, what to get next.  Nothing!  Learn to use what you have and see what you need next.  And while you
wait Canon keeps coming out with new lenses.  The 70-200 (probably the f4.0is is a likely option but I'd experience a little before deciding.  Good luck.

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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2013, 02:17:32 PM »
regards to the above post - obviously is lenses can be used.  I had meant the ef-s crop body lenses which will
be no good with the 6d.

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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2013, 12:59:42 PM »
This is the shot I was talking about @ ISO 3200.
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2013, 07:57:49 AM »
Thanks for the help everyone.  Here is what I decided for my purchase:

Canon 6D ($1600)
Canon 600EX speedlite ($500)

Both were purchased from an authorized Canon Dealer.

After reading numerous reviews and CR's member Dustin Abbott review on the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC lens, I am leaning towards that.  Just seems like an awesome lens for the money.  Found it for around $1100.

So that will complete my bundle for around $3000.  Very excited to get out there and start trying it out.

For the future I am looking at Canon's 70-300 f4-5.6L.  That will give me a wide range of focal lengths. 

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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2013, 08:52:36 AM »
Thanks for the help everyone.  Here is what I decided for my purchase:

Canon 6D ($1600)
Canon 600EX speedlite ($500)

Both were purchased from an authorized Canon Dealer.

After reading numerous reviews and CR's member Dustin Abbott review on the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC lens, I am leaning towards that.  Just seems like an awesome lens for the money.  Found it for around $1100.

So that will complete my bundle for around $3000.  Very excited to get out there and start trying it out.

For the future I am looking at Canon's 70-300 f4-5.6L.  That will give me a wide range of focal lengths.

Sounds like good choice.  Have fun shooting.  Tell us how you feel about the Tamron after you use it for a while. This lens has been on my mind for a while but I couldn't quite convince myself to buy a zoom from third party. The reviews are pretty good though. 
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Re: Help complete my bundle...
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2013, 01:32:30 PM »
Thanks for the help everyone.  Here is what I decided for my purchase:

Canon 6D ($1600)
Canon 600EX speedlite ($500)

Both were purchased from an authorized Canon Dealer.

After reading numerous reviews and CR's member Dustin Abbott review on the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC lens, I am leaning towards that.  Just seems like an awesome lens for the money.  Found it for around $1100.

So that will complete my bundle for around $3000.  Very excited to get out there and start trying it out.

For the future I am looking at Canon's 70-300 f4-5.6L.  That will give me a wide range of focal lengths.

A sensible choice by all means, enjoy your new kit  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2013, 02:06:27 PM »

I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.

Have any of you nay sayers actually used a 7D??

I own a 7D and love it for shooting wildlife and sports, but I don't like to go above ISO 800 or possibly 1200 in extreme instances.  I use Lightroom 4.4 which can clean up quite a bit of the noise, but not completely.  I started using flash after frustration with the noise on the 7D in low-light situations.  The 7D with flash is terrific.  As Zv pointed out, the pop-up flash is very useful as a wireless transmitter or as fill flash.

I bought a 6D in December and its high ISO / low-light capabilities are much, much better.  In my opinion, ISO 6400 on the 6D = ISO 800 on the 7D.

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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2013, 02:09:18 PM »
Thanks for the help everyone.  Here is what I decided for my purchase:
Canon 6D ($1600)
Canon 600EX speedlite ($500)

Congratulations!  I bought my 6D for $600 more when it first came out, but am glad I was an early adopter, its a great camera.  Enjoy!
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2013, 02:09:18 PM »