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On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« on: June 19, 2013, 11:55:36 PM »
Hi,

When shooting candidly with 85mm or 50mm or below focal length lens,

Do you tilt flash head direct to your subject or use bounce card?
or use a diffuser direct or diffuser upward?

How about for telephoto lens?




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On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« on: June 19, 2013, 11:55:36 PM »

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 12:09:29 AM »
If indoors then i always try and bounce. I sometimes use a omni bounce diffuser too if I want a bit more even lighting.

Are you shooting full frame? 50 and 85 should be no problem bounced. At the telephoto end I might aim the flash up at a 45 degree angle and use a bounce card or flashbender.

I never aim it direct. Even from far a away it looks nasty.

For an even better look try the flash off camera and shot through a large diffuser.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 03:06:13 AM »
I rarely use flash for candids.  That's one reason why I went FF with the 5D3 to avoid using flash, especially with candids.  The flash tends to spoil the moment and one candid moment can often lead to several if the photographer's presence isn't felt.

But, if you must use flash.  Bounce it or diffuse it or both and get it off camera if you can.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 07:26:04 AM »
Bounce it if you can or if there's still light, use it only as a fill-in flash.  There are lots of different diffuser if you really need to shoot it direct.  Here's some list of diffusers and how to use them:

http://www.garyfongestore.com/

Oh and don't be afraid to use flash.  Use it when and if you can.  If you know how to use them, they can improve a lot your portrait photography.  Together with reflectors, they can be used in a lot of multitude of ways not only to brighten up shadows but also to accentuate features in your photos and reduce noise.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 07:41:28 AM »
Bounce when possible and typically angled so that the the flash is aimed at a spot halfway to the target.  Ceilings are most often used, but walls can be used too.

For candids, flash is lifesaver when the subjects are strongly backlit.  Without the flash, the subjects are either underexposed or the background is blown out.  Learning how to use FEC and EC together to balance the subject brightness and background brightness will improve photos a lot, even if the flash is located on the camera and pointed directly at the subject.

Flashes have a zoom coverage range, and it is a consideration.  The 430 covers up to 105mm while the 600 covers up to 200mm.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 08:13:22 AM »
 I'll bounce..  trying to hit the side wall where most of the light will flow directly onto them.   if there isn't a side wall,  I'll bounce from above.   if there aren't any walls, I'll  bounce from below.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 09:23:11 AM »
Hi,

When shooting candidly with 85mm or 50mm or below focal length lens,

Do you tilt flash head direct to your subject or use bounce card?
or use a diffuser direct or diffuser upward?

How about for telephoto lens?

Your subject's face will lack dimensionality if you use frontal flash. Try to take advantage of natural light as much as possible. If you must use flash, then see if you could bounce it off of a wall such that the light hits the face sideway to create both highlight and shadow.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 09:25:53 AM »
Direct on camera flash is reserved for outdoor fill flash. I use bounce at any opportunity.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 10:05:49 AM »
Rogue Flashbender, takes up little space in kit (much less than photo tupperware) and easy to create soft direction light.  i recommend using it with a higher iso and more open aperture though.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 10:59:48 AM »
If I am anywhere near a wall I turn it backwards so it generally hits the spot where the wall meets the ceiling.  you pick up some odd color casts but as I shoot in RAW it's fairly easy to correct.  Only downside is the eyes don't pick up any catch lights so you might just want to aim it straight up and make sure and stick your hand right behind the light as a reflector instead of the little white plastic thing.  You get more fill and it's a touch warmer than the white thing
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 11:08:11 AM »
Always bounce unless using a ringlight and intending to get that caught-in-the-headlights look.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 12:23:51 PM »
   if there aren't any walls, I'll  bounce from below.

Careful bouncing from below. It may not be the most flattering light.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 01:42:10 PM »
I'll bounce..  trying to hit the side wall where most of the light will flow directly onto them.   if there isn't a side wall,  I'll bounce from above.   if there aren't any walls, I'll  bounce from below.

I'm not sure if I misunderstood you. But did you mean pointing the flash to the ground?  No flash lets you point down that far unless you use a cord or wireless trigger.  More importantly you'll create a ghostly look if light comes from below instead of above.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 03:24:30 PM »
In places with low, light-colored ceilings I have found that pointing the flash straight up at the ceiling with a bounce card for fill has excellent results.

The light that hits the ceiling provides light from a natural direction above the subject and the bounce card provides the fill. I've used a business card/rubber band and the 600EX-RT's built-in bounce card and they both provide pleasing fill. I've also been thinking about getting the Demb Flip-it to make vertical orientation shots easier.

When no low ceilings are available, I try to bounce off a nearby wall if there are any. If there aren't, I use off-camera flash exclusively.

Even when I bounce I also use a couple of 600EX-RT's in slave mode off-camera to light up the background, get rid of the dark cave look, and provide a kicker light on subjects.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 08:12:32 PM »
I'll bounce..  trying to hit the side wall where most of the light will flow directly onto them.   if there isn't a side wall,  I'll bounce from above.   if there aren't any walls, I'll  bounce from below.

I'm not sure if I misunderstood you. But did you mean pointing the flash to the ground?  No flash lets you point down that far unless you use a cord or wireless trigger.  More importantly you'll create a ghostly look if light comes from below instead of above.

I believe what he's trying to say is bounce as much as possible.

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Re: On Camera Flash: Direct or Bounce, candid.
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 08:12:32 PM »