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« on: September 08, 2010, 05:37:56 AM »

Announcements shortly

We can expect announcements for a few more PowerShot’s in the next 7 days.


There will be a 2nd announcement for an SLR I’m told.


1Ds Mark IV

I’ve been burned with bad information about the camera before, so I’m being very cautious as to what I publish here. I am mentioning this because it’s being sent to me from various places.


The recent flurry of emails points to a 2011 announcement date. Apparently it’s due to the lack of competition in the segement. There’s the D3x and nothing else.


It’s suggested Canon will wait until Nikon shows their cards with a D3xs or D4x.


CR’s Take

I don’t think things work this way. Canon already knows what Nikon has up their sleeves for the most part and the same the other way around. If companies held products back to see what the competition was doing, nothing would ever reach market.


Photokina is a big show, so it’s tough to see just the 60D being introduced for Photokina. Although, the need for trade shows and building product hype is lessening by the year.


Lenses

Nikon will be bringing 2 more lenses to market in the next couple of weeks. I expect Canon to do at least one more.


14-24 & 24-70 are the likely candidates if I go by  recent suggestions.


This is speculation on my part.


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G12 & SX20 Replacements & More
« on: September 08, 2010, 05:37:56 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 05:57:21 AM »
Hope 1Ds Mk4 will be announced before Photokina... Pray on it  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 06:34:21 AM »
And what about the G12 and SX20?  ;)

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 06:40:37 AM »
Its a typo of admin. its G11 not G12.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 07:33:40 AM »
I'm with you CR Guy. I think the 1DsMkIV will be introduced for Photokina. However, probably the biggest competitor to the 1Ds isn't the D3X but rather the 5DMkII, especially among people who already own Canon lenses. I'd love to have good data on the numbers sold of these two models and how many 5DMkII buyers would have purchased a 1DsMkIII instead, if the 5DMkII weren't available.

My predictions/guesses/fantasies: (1) Canon will never again make a $3000 camera with the same sensor size and pixel density as their flagship studio camera, (2) The 1DsMkIV will have a MAP at launch of $6000, not $8000 and (3) The 5DMkIII will be a 12-14MP low light specialist to compete with the D700 and its replacement.

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 08:05:37 AM »
The bit about not releasing a new 1DS due to lack of competition doesn't make any sense to me. If canon delays the release for too long, some potential customers may switch to Nikon or medium format, I also think it will be announced for Photokina. On the other hand a delay could be justified if there is a new chipset around the corner to facilitate improved dr and allow the camera to keep up with all those mp. It will have to be one hell of a camera to justify the price difference over the 5D2.

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 08:12:48 AM »

Nikon will be bringing 2 more lenses to market in the next couple of weeks. I expect Canon to do at least one more.
14-24 & 24-70 are the likely candidaes if I go by  recent suggestions.


I really hope there are more lenses -- despite that Canon already announced four this round (plus the 70-200 2.8 IS Mk. II, or even six, depending on whether you also count in the announced 500 and 600), there is still nothing in it for the mainstream hobbyist users that are not able to or willing to shell out that amount of money for photography gear. While I think a 14(12?)-24 or 24-70 IS would be great for the Canon system as a whole, me being a selfish 7D user would prefer Canon's take on the Nikon's DX-only 35 1.8, i.e., some 3Xmm f1.X with USM and at a reasonable price.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 08:26:39 AM »
Contrary to the rumor of no competition the wait could only be explained because of technology reasons, something in the corner or just some last efforts needed to complete.

I have seen the price for a new 1ds3 as less as 4350€ (was 8000€ at the start), not really a sign of lack of the competition, isn't it?

By the way, the D3x is a better product (better DR, better LCD, slight edge on the MP count), reflected also in price, so Canon is not doing that well at all in my opinion.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 10:16:45 AM »
And what about the G12 and SX20?  ;)

The first sentence of his post relates to these two cameras.

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2010, 11:29:09 AM »
My predictions/guesses/fantasies: (1) Canon will never again make a $3000 camera with the same sensor size and pixel density as their flagship studio camera, (2) The 1DsMkIV will have a MAP at launch of $6000, not $8000 and (3) The 5DMkIII will be a 12-14MP low light specialist to compete with the D700 and its replacement.

I don't think that will happen because the successors to the D700 will have a MP count that probably equals the D3x today (around 24MP.)

Although the D700 sensor has performed really well, comments from Nikon suggest that Nikon recognises that it made a mistake by keeping the MP count as low as they have.

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2010, 11:36:03 AM »
The 1Ds4 for Photokina is not happening.

Canon is preparing to introduce a new generation of sensors and the Digic4 is very old now, so a 1Ds4 is not happening at this time.

They will jump straight to the 1Ds5 with ~50mp and Digic5 sometime next year.
My crystal ball tells me, though, that the 7DII will be the first one with the new sensor tech.

Btw, check out the last paragraph of IR's report of Canon Expo 2010:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1283720266.html

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While it wasn't included in any announced product, a number of the exhibits were based on a 50-megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor chip. Given how often this chip was mentioned, we'd guess that a 50-megapixel full-frame digital SLR can be expected to appear in the not-too-distant future.
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2010, 01:16:00 PM »
My predictions/guesses/fantasies: (1) Canon will never again make a $3000 camera with the same sensor size and pixel density as their flagship studio camera, (2) The 1DsMkIV will have a MAP at launch of $6000, not $8000 and (3) The 5DMkIII will be a 12-14MP low light specialist to compete with the D700 and its replacement.

I don't think that will happen because the successors to the D700 will have a MP count that probably equals the D3x today (around 24MP.)

Although the D700 sensor has performed really well, comments from Nikon suggest that Nikon recognises that it made a mistake by keeping the MP count as low as they have.

In retrospect, I should have written 12-16MP, with 16MP being the most likely. I don't think the D700 replacement will have 24MP. 18MP is the figure most often mentioned. The point is that Canon has no low light specialist that is as good as the D3s and, if Nikon is suffering because its bodies have too few pixels, Canon is suffering because theirs have too much noise. I know of two wedding photographers who replaced their 5DMkIIs and associated lenses with D700s plus lenses. Interestingly, both also bought a D300 or D300s for those times when they need more reach.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2010, 01:21:38 PM »
I too think Canon will delay the release of the 1DsIV.  For one, its a niche camera that will not sell in great numbers, also I don't think the Digic IV can push the huge files produced by the more than likely >30MP sensor coming in the next 1Ds.   I would expect a 1DsIV after the introduction of the new Digic V chip.

Canon could have a lot more impact by introducing something that will shake up a larger market segment. Say maybe finally putting out a D700 competitor.  I say this ad nauseum on the Canon boards all the time, a fast FF camera with decent AF performance and fast FPS doesn't need to cost 5K, that's already been proven by the competition.  I speculate a 24MP FF sensor strapped to a 7D-like body, keeping the 7D's 19 point AF.  Extra kudos to Canon if it shoots @ 8fps....
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2010, 03:58:23 PM »
Well, it's been 2 years and no response to the D700. Looking less likely, but we can hope.

I too think Canon will delay the release of the 1DsIV.  For one, its a niche camera that will not sell in great numbers, also I don't think the Digic IV can push the huge files produced by the more than likely >30MP sensor coming in the next 1Ds.   I would expect a 1DsIV after the introduction of the new Digic V chip.

Canon could have a lot more impact by introducing something that will shake up a larger market segment. Say maybe finally putting out a D700 competitor.  I say this ad nauseum on the Canon boards all the time, a fast FF camera with decent AF performance and fast FPS doesn't need to cost 5K, that's already been proven by the competition.  I speculate a 24MP FF sensor strapped to a 7D-like body, keeping the 7D's 19 point AF.  Extra kudos to Canon if it shoots @ 8fps....

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2010, 05:01:11 PM »
Hoping for the 14-24 over the other junk. 

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