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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2013, 02:32:46 PM »
I was in a similar situation, but I choose the non-IS 100mm macro lens because of similar (or slightly better) overall IQ and I will keep the 2.0 100 lens:

first time i hear that the non L version has better IQ... i highly doubt that.
every review i have read so far tells the L is slightly better.

equal maybe but the non L better? that is stuff people tell themself so they don´t have to buy the more expensive L lens. ;)

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2013, 02:46:32 PM »
I heard they are equal until f11.
Center performance is marginal better on the L version.

Above f11 the L version is better.
The Photozone analysis seems to support that.

Beside sharpness, i heard the contrast and bokeh of the L version is better.

After cashback i pay 220 euro more for the L version (480 vs. 700 euro).
IS and weathersealing are worth it i think.

And the Reviewer here at CR really seems to like it:

http://www.canonrumors.com/reviews/review-canon-ef-100-f2-8l-is-macro/
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2013, 03:46:39 PM »
Can't really comment on the 100mm L as I have the non L version only. But a lot of people say they are almost the same optically. 

I used the 100mm macro for portrait in the past wide open. It's sharp enough but at f4 is where it shines. I would expect the L to behave similarly--ok wide open, great at 4 for portrait. 

I thought about getting the 100 f2 but in the end decided to get the 85 1.8 instead.  100 seems too long indoor.  85 is just right. I didn't want two lenses at the same focal length. Plus I have a zoom that covers 100. The 85 serves as a dedicated portrait lens, the 100 macro as a dual purpose lens. Now it spends a lot of time sitting in the closet.

 If you sell your 100 f2 you could get the 85 and keep some change.

The 100L I'm sure is a wonderful lens. Too bad I don't shoot enough macro stuff to justify owning it. And I'm very happy with my non L when it does get used. 
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2013, 04:06:33 PM »
the 85mm f1.8 is no option.
as i wrote i had it and the purple fringing was annoying.
and the 15mm would not really make much of a difference.


the 135mm f2.0 on the other side, that could be an option. :)
but not immediately.
i can´t justify spending another 600 euro + what i get for the EF 100 f2.

but in the long run... :)


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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2013, 04:34:40 PM »
the 85mm f1.8 is no option.
as i wrote i had it and the purple fringing was annoying.
and the 15mm would not really make much of a difference.


the 135mm f2.0 on the other side, that could be an option. :)
but not immediately.
i can´t justify spending another 600 euro + what i get for the EF 100 f2.

but in the long run... :)

Any lens wide open produces color fringing. Even my 135L does. I shoot people mainly so the fringing is less noticeable.  You'll see it when you shoot shiny objects.  The 135L appears to produce less fringing than 100 and 85 probably because of compression effect only. It's still there if you look for it. I'm not trying to convince you to get the 85, but I'm just brainstorming with you here.

Your two 100mm lenses would give you the same perspective,  the same look. So worth it or not is your call.
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2013, 06:15:30 PM »
Any lens wide open produces color fringing.

but the EF 85mm f1.8 is very prone to this.

i had the 85mm f1.8 for a few days.
the purple fringing was so obvious, in nearly any shoot with white in it, that i sold it very fast.

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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2013, 07:46:32 PM »
Had the 85 F1.8 and the 100L. Sold both and regret it every day. Will buy the 100L again as I think it is the most versatile. God luck deciding.
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2013, 09:34:01 PM »
The only advantage the 100/2.0 has over the 100/2.8L IS Macro is size.  The macro is quite a bit longer...

For portaiture... we hardly ever actually shoot at f/2.0

Formally, something more like f/5.6 or a half stop more... to get eyes and ears both in focus - which also brings the nose into focus.

However, if you're really looking for selective focus... yes, shooting at f/2.0 or with the macro f/2.8 is up to you.

You'll never, notice the difference in DOF between 100/2.0 and 100/2.8.  You'd have to sit there and A-B compare over again to see any appreciable difference.    You'll like the 100/2.0 for its size, but really.... in dim light, I'd take the 100/2.8L with its IS any day.   And thats exactly what I did!

IQ is beyond fantastically excellent on both lenses... if the ergonomics don't matter all that much... the 100/2.0 will stay home.


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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2013, 11:32:28 PM »
My 100 2.0 has been sitting unused for a long time, since I have the 85 1.8 and the 135L.  But last weekend I found a great use for it:

(this was at F/2.8 and 1/160, hand held, 5D3)



It's a great lens for shooting hood ornaments at a classic car show!  LOL

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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2013, 02:16:54 AM »
Had the 85mm f1.8, 100mm f2 and 135mm f2 for crop and full frame. I never got the hang of the 85mm probably because I started off with the 50mm for portraits and use the 100mm and 135mm for indoor sports. I did experience the purple fringing and thought it was a shame since the lens was so sharp. I must've bought and sold the 85mm 3x. Finally I just decided to do without. I like the 100m, fast AF and sharp. Of course, the 135mm gets more use.
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2013, 07:12:53 AM »
I have the 100mm f2.0 though am wary of using it at f2.0 because of fringing.

If you feel you would reap the benefits of the faster AF then it's a great lens, I love my copy, and it is sharp wide open, just prone to fringing.

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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2013, 11:05:54 PM »
For what it is worth, the 100mm f/2.8L was my favorite lens for a year.  I used it even when the focal length didn't really match the situation.  It is a great lens.  I had the 100mm f/2 but I never used it... which is to say I never used it... ever... not even once. 

But when I got my 70-200mm f/2.8L Is mkii, it was on par with the 100mm f/2.8L so I sold the macro lens and I gave up all of the macro functionality... though I didn't really use it that much for macro. 

I'd sell it... even though it would be hard... that money can either defray the cost of the upgrade or help fund another lens.  I try not to have too much redundancy in my gear, but it is difficult.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2013, 12:47:23 AM »
why bother - there appear to be real but marginal differences between the two lenses.  Why not just keep the
100f2.0 and add the 135L?   OK, it's a few bucks more but it does have real admirers 'cause it's one hell of a
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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2013, 05:55:01 AM »
first time i hear that the non L version has better IQ... i highly doubt that.
every review i have read so far tells the L is slightly better.

equal maybe but the non L better? that is stuff people tell themself so they don´t have to buy the more expensive L lens. ;)

Depends which copies you're testing - see first chart in link below - but it really comes down to 'they're both plenty sharp':

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/10/notes-on-lens-and-camera-variation

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Re: Does it make sense to keep my EF 100mm f2.0?
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2013, 08:58:50 AM »
I was in a similar situation, but I choose the non-IS 100mm macro lens because of similar (or slightly better) overall IQ and I will keep the 2.0 100 lens:

first time i hear that the non L version has better IQ... i highly doubt that.
every review i have read so far tells the L is slightly better.

equal maybe but the non L better? that is stuff people tell themself so they don´t have to buy the more expensive L lens. ;)

A late reply but now it's there :)

APS-C comparison between both (50D) (1st is NON IS version)
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/488-canon_100_28_50d?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/461-canon_100_28is_50d?start=1

FF comparison (5D mk ii)
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/489-canon_100_28_5d?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/458-canon_100_28is_5d?start=1

The differences are marginal - but the NON IS shows much lower CAs and a better uniformity of sharpness which is important to me because I like compositions where sharpness is needed at borders/in corners @ f/2.8 or similar.

As Hesbehindyou remarked - sample variations play an additional role.
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