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which sensor would you prefer in the 7D II

24 MP, "usable" ISO up to 1600, 6 FPS
9 (7.1%)
16 MP, "usable" ISO up to 6400, 9 FPS
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2013, 01:24:13 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H?  Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop. 

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things.  With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's?  Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades.  Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule.  the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF.  I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed. 

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2013, 01:24:13 PM »

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2013, 01:26:25 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H?  Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop. 

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things.  With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's?  Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades.  Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule.  the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF.  I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed. 

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.
I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic.  Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2013, 01:51:36 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H?  Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop. 

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things.  With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's?  Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades.  Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule.  the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF.  I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed. 

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.
I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic.  Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

Yes, it is just another "while-we-are-dreaming" option :)

However...

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With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming
Why should we expect the same data processing speed? Both OP's options are more like current 7D variations.

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2013, 01:54:39 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H?  Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop. 

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things.  With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's?  Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades.  Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule.  the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF.  I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed. 

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.
I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic.  Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

Yes, it is just another "while-we-are-dreaming" option :)

However...

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With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming
Why should we expect the same data processing speed? Both OP's options are more like current 7D variations.

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.
An that's what a rumor forum is for  ;D That's one of the reasons many of us are here.

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2013, 02:04:03 PM »
The thing I learned, perhaps Canon knows this too, that the people who answered this poll (which may be the potential buying public for this body) want better low light capability and higher FPS. 

Well, the potential buying public needs to be more than 79 people.

Actually, I've always argued that the potential buying public for the 7DII will fall into about four intersecting categories:

Current 7D owners who are basically happy with the camera and are seeking some marginal improvements in all areas – essentially an APS-C version of the 5DIII with image quality equal to or better than the final generation of APS-H sensor;

Current 60D owners who are tired of the compromises and ready to step-up to the flagship APS-C model;

Sports and wildlife shooters who want the reach of APS-C, but also want a high frame rate, improved autofocus and improved image quality at higher ISOs;

Full frame shooters who want the additional flexibility of an APS-C body as a second body.

All of these markets can be satisfied with incremental improvements in what  remains the best APS-C camera made even four years after its introduction.
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2013, 02:47:25 PM »



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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body.  I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range.  The 6d  shines in the high ISO.


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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2013, 03:42:01 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps
... with a flying elephant that will help us carry all our gear  ;D  ;D ;D

Seriously, don't get me wrong but as the OP said it's about compromise.
I don't believe that Canon can/will improve in all aspects in a new APS-C body...
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2013, 03:57:59 PM »

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body.  I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range.  The 6d  shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless :)) )
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2013, 04:23:52 PM »
3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps
... with a flying elephant that will help us carry all our gear  ;D  ;D ;D

Seriously, don't get me wrong but as the OP said it's about compromise.
I don't believe that Canon can/will improve in all aspects in a new APS-C body...

They can, but they won't. Don't get me wrong, but OP's options are so ... 2011 SoNikon, really :).
It is always about compromise, but I think that withholding progress for more or stable profit is a crime against humanity ... and they do it all the time, because they are profit-seeking companies.
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2013, 04:49:05 PM »

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body.  I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range.  The 6d  shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless :)) )

You are a dreamer!!!!  50MP body APS-C sensor for 2k?   that sounds like what we'll have in 2020!
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2013, 04:08:41 AM »

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Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance
6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body.  I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range.  The 6d  shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless :)) )

You are a dreamer!!!!  50MP body APS-C sensor for 2k?   that sounds like what we'll have in 2020!

I was talking about FF, but, yes, I am a dreamer :).
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2013, 03:45:08 PM »
The thing I learned, perhaps Canon knows this too, that the people who answered this poll (which may be the potential buying public for this body) want better low light capability and higher FPS. 

Well, the potential buying public needs to be more than 79 people.

Actually, I've always argued that the potential buying public for the 7DII will fall into about four intersecting categories:

Current 7D owners who are basically happy with the camera and are seeking some marginal improvements in all areas – essentially an APS-C version of the 5DIII with image quality equal to or better than the final generation of APS-H sensor;

Current 60D owners who are tired of the compromises and ready to step-up to the flagship APS-C model;

Sports and wildlife shooters who want the reach of APS-C, but also want a high frame rate, improved autofocus and improved image quality at higher ISOs;

Full frame shooters who want the additional flexibility of an APS-C body as a second body.

All of these markets can be satisfied with incremental improvements in what  remains the best APS-C camera made even four years after its introduction.

And is our make up much different that these four groups (other than we are quite vocal)?

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2013, 03:04:53 PM »
Soooo, now that the 70D is known to come with a 20.2 mp sensor, that changes the future make up of the 7D mark ii. :D I honestly think that anything below 18 is out of the picture. Especially 16. If they come out with a newer 18mp sensor and a faster fps and better iso performance with a newer digic processor, it's a winner. Remember, the amazing 1D x is 18 mp. If the 7D mark ii comes with a 20.2 mp sensor or something else, that's okay too. Fps wise, the 70D will have 7fps.. The new 7D has got to have more.. I'd say around 10. But that's me. Ill stop blabbing. I think I'm just too excited.  ;D
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2013, 04:37:50 PM »
I don't like those options at all.

ISO 6400 is not really usable on 5D3, so on 7D2? Not gonna happen... I guess this comes down to the definition of "usable". My shooting style is to avoid high ISOs especially when it's dark.

Then the slow burst rate combined with the higher mega pickles... What's the point? Well, if it's a macro only camera then yeah, I'd go with this options just to get more room for additional cropping.


Megapickles? ROFL. Best typo ever.

Why do you say 5d3 not usable at 6400...there's been some truly awesome example online at even 12800 (or am i thinking the 6d?)

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »
I don't like those options at all.

ISO 6400 is not really usable on 5D3, so on 7D2? Not gonna happen... I guess this comes down to the definition of "usable". My shooting style is to avoid high ISOs especially when it's dark.

Then the slow burst rate combined with the higher mega pickles... What's the point? Well, if it's a macro only camera then yeah, I'd go with this options just to get more room for additional cropping.


Megapickles? ROFL. Best typo ever.

Why do you say 5d3 not usable at 6400...there's been some truly awesome example online at even 12800 (or am i thinking the 6d?)

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Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »