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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #165 on: June 28, 2013, 10:10:46 AM »
I predicted this like a year ago.

60D AF ----> Rebel.

7D AF ----> 70D

5D3 AF ----> 7D2

Everything got an upgrade to a better older system.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #165 on: June 28, 2013, 10:10:46 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #166 on: June 28, 2013, 10:14:03 AM »
I predicted this like a year ago.

60D AF ----> Rebel.

7D AF ----> 70D

5D3 AF ----> 7D2

Everything got an upgrade to a better older system.

Well, the last one at least is impossible to my understanding. You can't take a FF AF system and put it in a crop body. Or can you?
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #167 on: June 28, 2013, 10:18:29 AM »
I expect this 70D to be a good surprise in term of overall quality and specifications like the 6D is and the future 7DII to have the same level of quality the 5DIII has.

So it means a 70D in the 1200-1500€/$ range and the future 7DII in the 2000-2500€/$ range...

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #168 on: June 28, 2013, 10:21:46 AM »
No. If its going to be, lets say, $1300, then it will be atleast 1300EUR, which is equivalent of $1700.

New 7D had a price tag of 1699EUR in Slovenia, which is around $2200. That's why people of US dont understand us Europeans when we say we cannot afford this and that.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #169 on: June 28, 2013, 10:28:27 AM »
Our problem as Canon users is, that I expect Canon will not be able to deliver a sensor+electronics matching the current Nikon D7100 sensor in terms of IQ. Not in resolution (20 vs. 24 MP) and probably even less so in DR across all ISO settings starting at base ISO nor in Hi-ISO Noise. At best, I expect the 70D sensor to come in "only" 1 EV lower in DR and noise across the entire ISO range.

Canon uses the same 18MP sensor in their ASP-C cameras since 2009. It was very good at that time, bug aged since then.

I don't think they weren't developing new sensors. I may accept that they couldn't develop as good sensors as competitors, but for me, the 20MP tells something: it must be much better.

Why? They must have developed a few different sensors in size, and they tested all. After all, they decided to use a 20MP one in the 70D.

Why? Maybe because their 24MP sensor doesn't have as good IQ as the Nikon one. But the 20MP one, I think is at least as good as the one in Nikon.

Othewise, what would the market say? Lame Canon couldn't even develop a sensor with the same IQ as the one in Nikon that has 25% more pixels.

We'll see on next Tuesday.

New sesnosr?  Who knows?  It could be, or a refinement of older sensors.  20 MP vs 24 MP...Maybe the 20 outperformed the 24, or maybe not...  Maybe the 24 is much better and is going into the 7d2?
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #170 on: June 28, 2013, 10:29:27 AM »
One person stated the camera would have only 1 custom function... where do you see that?  on the camera photos they are straight on with no mode dial view...  I have shot professionally for a decade and only started using custom modes when i got the 5d3, so i can get by with only 1, but just curious...
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »
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7D had a price tag of 1699EUR in Slovenia

Wow really expensive, here in France we can buy a new one for 1100€...

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #172 on: June 28, 2013, 10:35:10 AM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.

That's because their lens scores are really "camera setup" scores. Remember that the resolution of a lens or a sensor independently is higher than the resolution of the output of the two of them combined. That's why lenses seem to perform so poorly as a result of DXO's tests. Personally, I prefer the SQF (Subjective Quality Factor) that you get from imatest over the kind of testing DXO does on lenses. SQF is not an actual measure of resolution, it is a scalar number derived from a variety of factors that is far more useful for comparing lenses.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #173 on: June 28, 2013, 10:35:55 AM »
Something that seems wasn't mentioned and that was really lacking on the 60D is the joystick controller and I cannot see one navigating through the 19 AF points with only the back wheel, so I think we should see it back on the xxD models
The way the d-pad works on the 60D is far less intuitive than the joystick.  It would not translate into the 19 point system at all.  The 8 positions on the d-pad are the outer spots and the inner is the "set" button.  So you can select AF points directly (i.e. without scrolling with the wheel), but it takes some getting used to.

They'd have to change the operation to function more like the joystick when using the d-pad.  The stick is still a better ergonomic device, though.  The d-pad is too mushy and it's too easy to poke the set button if you have big fingers.

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Re: Canon 8D?
« Reply #174 on: June 28, 2013, 10:37:37 AM »
What about Canon 8D?

http://www.fotoplus.su/catalog/photo/canon/5542/

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if 8D is "kitted" with 18-55 lens, then it´s not the 7DII replacement.
8d would suggest a lesser camera than the 7d not a better replacement, according to the Canon numbering scheme... The better camera's have lower numbers in the XD line.  The water seems to get a bit blurry between the 7d and 6d as one is ff and the other is aps-c.  That's the one thing that's a bit difficult to comprehend... 

The xxd line is the opposite with the numbers going up ie: 20d, 30d, 40d, 50d, etc.  So the 7d sits interestingly somewhat by itself with regard to all that...
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #175 on: June 28, 2013, 10:38:59 AM »

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as a scientist you should also know that if you measure irrelevant data you get useless results

absolutly. that´s why i like dxomark. they are doing a great job.
why should someone better rely on "gold awards"?

but anyway. everybody is free to have his personal believe, what he is considering the "true blue"...

People shouldn't rely on one or the other. They should rely on both, as well as other review sources, all of which are far less valuable than actually holding the product in your hands and testing it out yourself before you buy. A "scientific" measure is a vector measure. It tells you a lot, but about ONE SPECIFIC thing. Scientific studies as the sole resource for basing camera decisions will mean you run the high risk of getting the wrong camera. Actual in-hands experience in a store or with a friends cameras trumps everything.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« Reply #176 on: June 28, 2013, 10:42:24 AM »
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7D had a price tag of 1699EUR in Slovenia

Wow really expensive, here in France we can buy a new one for 1100€...
I think he was saying the new 7D, meaning when they first came out...
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New 7D had a price tag of 1699EUR in Slovenia
Note that he stated: "HAD" not has...   But I can't be sure... ;)
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #177 on: June 28, 2013, 10:48:04 AM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.
How can you say that? DXO scores the 50f1.8 higher than the 600f4.0 so it MUST be a better lens........ (Huge sarcasm tag inserted here)

DxO measures the ability of a lens to deliver a quality image. To whit, the 50/1.8 can deliver a higher quality image for than the 600/4.0. Both lenses can be good lenses and deliver exceptional IQ but it is perfectly ok for one lens (even a cheaper lens) to be better than the other for a given purpose.

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is bad or low quality, similarly, just because something is expensive doesn't make it high quality.
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #178 on: June 28, 2013, 10:50:30 AM »

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as a scientist you should also know that if you measure irrelevant data you get useless results

absolutly. that´s why i like dxomark. they are doing a great job.
why should someone better rely on "gold awards"?

but anyway. everybody is free to have his personal believe, what he is considering the "true blue"...

People shouldn't rely on one or the other. They should rely on both, as well as other review sources, all of which are far less valuable than actually holding the product in your hands and testing it out yourself before you buy. A "scientific" measure is a vector measure. It tells you a lot, but about ONE SPECIFIC thing. Scientific studies as the sole resource for basing camera decisions will mean you run the high risk of getting the wrong camera. Actual in-hands experience in a store or with a friends cameras trumps everything.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #179 on: June 28, 2013, 11:01:46 AM »
DxO measures the ability of a lens to deliver a quality image. To whit, the 50/1.8 can deliver a higher quality image for than the 600/4.0. Both lenses can be good lenses and deliver exceptional IQ but it is perfectly ok for one lens (even a cheaper lens) to be better than the other for a given purpose.

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is bad or low quality, similarly, just because something is expensive doesn't make it high quality.

Which is fine, if their 'given purpose' exactly matches your intended use of the lens.  Their 'purpose' is photography in 150 lux illumination - that's warehouse storage lighting, such as this one where 'top men' were not working on a religious artifact...



For that purpose, the crappiest f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens can outscore the best f/4 or f/5.6 lens in existence. 

If you believe that represents a general measure of image quality, you probably think a lens is a camera.  Oh wait, you actually do think that...
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Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« Reply #179 on: June 28, 2013, 11:01:46 AM »